Christian Comment with Clive Dale of Ebley Chapel

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THIS week's Christian Comment is likely to be controversial - Clive Dale, of Ebley Chapel, Stroud, argues that science does not prove evolution and that Darwin did not necessarily believe his theory but merely 'explored' the idea. The truth, says Mr Dale, is to be found in the Bible.

Readers are welcome to add their own thoughts at the end of the piece. The views expressed are those of Mr Dale and are not endorsed by the SNJ.

WE are living in a time of misinformation.

The latest food scare just highlights a problem that is permeating throughout our society.

All of us have been relying on the labelling of our foods, and cannot believe that we have been eating horse when things have been labelled beef.

They haven't been checking but just trusting those that were providing the meat.

Politicians and marketing consultants only tell us what they want us to hear, which is often used to disguise the truth or steer us away from the truth.

This leaving out information can seriously change what we believe.

For instance, when DNA was first announce it was stated that here was only a small difference between certain animals and man, so everybody has jumped on that especially politicians and those that wanted to attack Christianity.

But when the scientists delve deeper in DNA, at the lower levels they declared that the gulf between the DNA and the animals was too far apart for man to have come from any of the animals.

Yet we still hear today that DNA proves evolution, which is false.

Although Darwin wrote the Origin of Species, evolution was a theory which he explored but did not agree with but in the last chapter of his book he posed questions for us to think about and look into.

Even now, over a hundred years later, a lot of the points he made in the book to support evolution are not factual but just inferences.

The Bible is truth and says: 'Teach me Your way, O Lord, that I may walk and live in Your truth; direct and unite my heart to fear and honour Your name'.

Psalm 86:11 'And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free'. John 8: 32 Jesus told him: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father (God) except through me'. John 14:6.

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4:34am Thu 21 Feb 13

JohnnyDale says...

"The views expressed are those of Mr Dale and are not endorsed by the SNJ."

You don't get away with it that easily. By printing this moronic drivel you are implicitly endorsing it to a certain degree. Editorial standards certainly aren't what they used to be.
"The views expressed are those of Mr Dale and are not endorsed by the SNJ." You don't get away with it that easily. By printing this moronic drivel you are implicitly endorsing it to a certain degree. Editorial standards certainly aren't what they used to be. JohnnyDale
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8:14am Thu 21 Feb 13

Crow says...

Findus lasagne might have had a fair bit of horse meat in it, but the old testament had its fair share of bull. :p
Findus lasagne might have had a fair bit of horse meat in it, but the old testament had its fair share of bull. :p Crow
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9:12am Thu 21 Feb 13

lukeaway says...

Shame on you SNJ. JohnnyDale is absolutely right. Printing a Christian column in these times is one thing, but promoting anti-scientific theories such as this is something else entirely. This type of fundamental Christianity also promotes sexism and intolerance. There is no place for this.
Shame on you SNJ. JohnnyDale is absolutely right. Printing a Christian column in these times is one thing, but promoting anti-scientific theories such as this is something else entirely. This type of fundamental Christianity also promotes sexism and intolerance. There is no place for this. lukeaway
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10:10am Thu 21 Feb 13

tryptych says...

These religionists really need to try and step out of the 12th century.

To claim "we are living in a time of misinformation" is laughable coming from somebody that believes the rubbish written by men in some dusty 2000 year old book. We are actually living in a time of enlightenment when more and more people are realising that religion is simply a means of control, and that science is our real saviour.

The Bible is NOT truth.
It is a litany of spurious conjecture, assumptions, old wives tales and downright lies and people such as Mr Dale really need to wake up and stop spreading this complete nonsense.
These religionists really need to try and step out of the 12th century. To claim "we are living in a time of misinformation" is laughable coming from somebody that believes the rubbish written by men in some dusty 2000 year old book. We are actually living in a time of enlightenment when more and more people are realising that religion is simply a means of control, and that science is our real saviour. The Bible is NOT truth. It is a litany of spurious conjecture, assumptions, old wives tales and downright lies and people such as Mr Dale really need to wake up and stop spreading this complete nonsense. tryptych
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12:12pm Thu 21 Feb 13

wewillfixit says...

Oh dear. Who are these 'scientists' that declare that "the gulf between the DNA and the animals was too far apart for man to have come from any of the animals".

I really think we should be told.

It's almost like the SNJ is trolling its readership these days. Are they so desperate for page views that they have resorted to this nonsense?
Oh dear. Who are these 'scientists' that declare that "the gulf between the DNA and the animals was too far apart for man to have come from any of the animals". I really think we should be told. It's almost like the SNJ is trolling its readership these days. Are they so desperate for page views that they have resorted to this nonsense? wewillfixit
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1:03pm Thu 21 Feb 13

jimijima says...

i agree with tone of all the above comments - nobody of sane mind thinks the earth is flat - ditto creationism which only fosters superstition and prejudice. Why on earth do think you it of any value to print such stuff - even if you don't hold to these views. Given that they are in no way 'newsworthy' you must tell us what your reasons are - if not bye bye SNJ!!! - dinosaurs!
i agree with tone of all the above comments - nobody of sane mind thinks the earth is flat - ditto creationism which only fosters superstition and prejudice. Why on earth do think you it of any value to print such stuff - even if you don't hold to these views. Given that they are in no way 'newsworthy' you must tell us what your reasons are - if not bye bye SNJ!!! - dinosaurs! jimijima
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1:40pm Thu 21 Feb 13

valleys4life says...

Wow! This is the first time I have ever seen a disclaimer at the beginning of a "news article"!

I love the way he attacks politicians and marketing consultants (not to mention Darwin and "the scientists"!), but omits any reference to other mediums, such as newspapers and the media.

This chap is clearly bonkers. Keep up the good work SNJ!
Wow! This is the first time I have ever seen a disclaimer at the beginning of a "news article"! I love the way he attacks politicians and marketing consultants (not to mention Darwin and "the scientists"!), but omits any reference to other mediums, such as newspapers and the media. This chap is clearly bonkers. Keep up the good work SNJ! valleys4life
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12:14am Fri 22 Feb 13

kjag23 says...

Is this fellow medically retarded, or a troll of the highest order? Dear lord SNJ, I have lost all faith in you! One reason I never buy the paper and read this garbage online when I need to feel better about my intellect.
Is this fellow medically retarded, or a troll of the highest order? Dear lord SNJ, I have lost all faith in you! One reason I never buy the paper and read this garbage online when I need to feel better about my intellect. kjag23
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10:17pm Fri 22 Feb 13

niceparsnip says...

lukeaway is right. There is no place for this kind of intolerance, so let's ban all such comments.
I fully support the right of all people I agree with to be heard...er...
lukeaway is right. There is no place for this kind of intolerance, so let's ban all such comments. I fully support the right of all people I agree with to be heard...er... niceparsnip
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10:26pm Fri 22 Feb 13

lukeaway says...

niceparsnip, I wink at your understanding...I don't come from this as anti-freespeech, but unless there's parallel atheist, Hindu, Scientology and Druid column, I think it's outdated to have this voice heard in a newspaper in a town as progressive as Stroud.
niceparsnip, I wink at your understanding...I don't come from this as anti-freespeech, but unless there's parallel atheist, Hindu, Scientology and Druid column, I think it's outdated to have this voice heard in a newspaper in a town as progressive as Stroud. lukeaway
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8:32am Sat 23 Feb 13

Crow says...

it's a tiring false dichotomy between Christian creationist, and atheist evolutionist.
You don't have to believe in creationism to be a Christian.
it's a tiring false dichotomy between Christian creationist, and atheist evolutionist. You don't have to believe in creationism to be a Christian. Crow
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11:52am Sat 23 Feb 13

TigerTigerBurningBright says...

I burned even brighter when I read this extraordinary piece. Leaving aside the rather mad premise that a book written 2,000 years ago is "The Truth" (shall we go stone some adulterers?) let's focus on the odd statements on DNA.
I assume that Rev Dale means discovered rater than announced - how would you announce DNA? I imagined Town Criers up and down the land on a snowy Saturday morning shouting "Oyez, Oyez, Oyez! In this good Parish of Stroud I announce DNA!"
He states that there is little similarity between human DNA and animal DNA. A tiny bit of research would have shown that Man shares a lot of DNA with animals.
Chimps - 98%
Cat - 90%
Mouse - 75%
Fruit Fly - 60%
Banana - 50%

So we are all related by genetic material to bananas.
I announce that Rev Dale and similar pedlars of creationist drivel may well be more than 50% related to a banana.
I burned even brighter when I read this extraordinary piece. Leaving aside the rather mad premise that a book written 2,000 years ago is "The Truth" (shall we go stone some adulterers?) let's focus on the odd statements on DNA. I assume that Rev Dale means discovered rater than announced - how would you announce DNA? I imagined Town Criers up and down the land on a snowy Saturday morning shouting "Oyez, Oyez, Oyez! In this good Parish of Stroud I announce DNA!" He states that there is little similarity between human DNA and animal DNA. A tiny bit of research would have shown that Man shares a lot of DNA with animals. Chimps - 98% Cat - 90% Mouse - 75% Fruit Fly - 60% Banana - 50% So we are all related by genetic material to bananas. I announce that Rev Dale and similar pedlars of creationist drivel may well be more than 50% related to a banana. TigerTigerBurningBright
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