Christian Comment with Graham Hobbs of Minchinhampton Baptist Church

I MARRIED a young lady who grew up in Nailsworth and she brought me back down here for a year.

That was in 1975 and we're still here.

As a result I have now spent most of my life here and have seen so much, even in a quiet rural area.

Recently, it was not so quiet.

I was in Stroud when some shouting broke out between two people.

Bad language was flying about and it looked like the fists were about to do the same.

I wanted to stop it but I didn't have what it took, either the brain or the muscles, to break it up so I turned elsewhere for help.

No.

It wasn't the person net to me who was looking for a free ringside seat.

Fat lot of help they were.

I tried praying instead.

Prayer isn't soft.

It is more powerful than the atom.

My simple prayer was that God would separate them.

In less than a minute, one protagonist had walked away and someone more able than me ha walked walked he other person away in a different direction.

I think it was one of the fastest answers to prayer I have experienced.

Conversely, another prayer I saw answered that month occurred almost forty years after I began praying.

I could so easily have given up but it's not about how long, how much or how cleverly I pray.

It's about the one I'm talking to.

He stopped the fight within seconds.

He changed a situation I couldn't, even if it took forty years.

have you got an unanswered prayer?

Don't give up.

I recently came across a good word.

Actually it can be turned into a sentence as well.

It's PUSH.

Pray Until Something Happens.

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9:42am Sun 1 Dec 13

Cuthbert Thickett says...

I pray that the slaughter in Syria will be ended, but God won't help. I pray that the abused, the oppressed and the sick will be helped, but God won't help, I pray that the poor Badgers will not be killed in vain, but God won't help. Where is your God Mr Hobbs I hope that he is not so busy breaking up minor disagreements in Stroud that he is unable to step in where he is really needed.
I pray that the slaughter in Syria will be ended, but God won't help. I pray that the abused, the oppressed and the sick will be helped, but God won't help, I pray that the poor Badgers will not be killed in vain, but God won't help. Where is your God Mr Hobbs I hope that he is not so busy breaking up minor disagreements in Stroud that he is unable to step in where he is really needed. Cuthbert Thickett

11:20am Sun 1 Dec 13

Salendine says...

Cuthbert, you express my thoughts eloquently.

It is extraordinary the way that Christians take an every day occurence and use it to justify their religion, and then conveniently ignore all the times their God fails to answer their prayers. Blind faith I believe it is called.

At the moment the TV is on in the background, and the service in memory of those killed in the helicopter crash is being broadcast. I have no doubt that those involved a drawing comfort from the service, I genuinely hope they are. Truth is the comfort is from ecah other, or possibly the false belief in the afterlife, and that they will see their loved ones again. And where was God the other night?
Cuthbert, you express my thoughts eloquently. It is extraordinary the way that Christians take an every day occurence and use it to justify their religion, and then conveniently ignore all the times their God fails to answer their prayers. Blind faith I believe it is called. At the moment the TV is on in the background, and the service in memory of those killed in the helicopter crash is being broadcast. I have no doubt that those involved a drawing comfort from the service, I genuinely hope they are. Truth is the comfort is from ecah other, or possibly the false belief in the afterlife, and that they will see their loved ones again. And where was God the other night? Salendine

3:00pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Crow says...

well, Cuthbert Thickett, you could give up diary and beef products, if you want to end the killing of badgers.

Atheists with their 'bad things happen therefore God doesn't exist' argument. They never tire of it. Maybe the Universe is more complex than their simple arguments and assumptions?
well, Cuthbert Thickett, you could give up diary and beef products, if you want to end the killing of badgers. Atheists with their 'bad things happen therefore God doesn't exist' argument. They never tire of it. Maybe the Universe is more complex than their simple arguments and assumptions? Crow

4:29pm Sun 1 Dec 13

dimreepr says...

That’s the thing about science ‘crow’ it doesn’t matter what you believe for its predictions to be true and as for the tired old argument “Maybe the universe is more complex... blah blah to many assumptions blah” given what science does understand about the universe, the god of the gaps is getting so incredible as to be nothing more than a fiction created by man; true, saledine, it is comforting for some and why not?
That’s the thing about science ‘crow’ it doesn’t matter what you believe for its predictions to be true and as for the tired old argument “Maybe the universe is more complex... blah blah to many assumptions blah” given what science does understand about the universe, the god of the gaps is getting so incredible as to be nothing more than a fiction created by man; true, saledine, it is comforting for some and why not? dimreepr

4:36pm Sun 1 Dec 13

TigerTigerBurningBright says...

The Universe is certainly more complex and way older than any religious tale can explain. Also Crow, you may not have noticed but things happen all the time. You might parcel them up into good and bad, but they do happen all the time. Where was your complex good god during the recent typhoon? Or do brown people with different gods deserve different treatment?
I suggest that Mr Hobbs stays around on Friday nights in Stroud and GLoucester and tries praying again to stop fights, then reports back to us here when he has an appropriate level of evidence. Maybe a couple of years worth.
The Universe is certainly more complex and way older than any religious tale can explain. Also Crow, you may not have noticed but things happen all the time. You might parcel them up into good and bad, but they do happen all the time. Where was your complex good god during the recent typhoon? Or do brown people with different gods deserve different treatment? I suggest that Mr Hobbs stays around on Friday nights in Stroud and GLoucester and tries praying again to stop fights, then reports back to us here when he has an appropriate level of evidence. Maybe a couple of years worth. TigerTigerBurningBright

4:51pm Sun 1 Dec 13

kjag23 says...

Yet again more nonsense.
The sheer idiocy in this article is making me angry.
Pray until something happens? How about you get off your backside and actively do something for the better!
Don't wait until some mysterious force intervenes.
Balderdash!
Yet again more nonsense. The sheer idiocy in this article is making me angry. Pray until something happens? How about you get off your backside and actively do something for the better! Don't wait until some mysterious force intervenes. Balderdash! kjag23

5:23pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Crow says...

yes, it is all a bit boring, dimreepr....boring theists v boring atheists.....god of the gaps?!

What do you think of ecigarettes? Are they any good? I don't want to get hooked on nicotine again, but I thought I could try the odd puff...
yes, it is all a bit boring, dimreepr....boring theists v boring atheists.....god of the gaps?! What do you think of ecigarettes? Are they any good? I don't want to get hooked on nicotine again, but I thought I could try the odd puff... Crow

5:38pm Sun 1 Dec 13

dimreepr says...

Type 'god of the gaps' into google and you'll receive any number of explanations, but for you; essentially it means the people who are determined to believe propose, god exists in places, in our knowledge, where doubt exists, a very tired and increasingly less likely explanation.
As for the rest of your post, WTF, smoke if you want, LOL.
Type 'god of the gaps' into google and you'll receive any number of explanations, but for you; essentially it means the people who are determined to believe propose, god exists in places, in our knowledge, where doubt exists, a very tired and increasingly less likely explanation. As for the rest of your post, WTF, smoke if you want, LOL. dimreepr

8:32pm Mon 2 Dec 13

A Stroud Worm says...

You lost me at God.
You lost me at God. A Stroud Worm

10:26am Wed 4 Dec 13

Crow says...

Yes, I know what 'God of the gaps' means, I just sort of see scientific discovery as analogous to a problem being like a piece of paper, and solving that is like drawing a line across it. So you've sort of explained something but at the same time you have created more sections of un-lined paper. You can fill in the gaps in the paper all you want, but you will just end up with more, smaller, and smaller gaps
Take sub atomic particles; just how small do they get? Is there even a limit on how small they could be? And do we need more and more powerful particle accelerators to discover the smaller and smaller particles, until the accelerator is the size of the Solar System, or the Galaxy, and even then their limited power limits how small you can look into the atom.
Maybe there is no limit to the smallness of atoms.

I only mentioned ecigarettes as I thought at least we could agree on something. :-)
Yes, I know what 'God of the gaps' means, I just sort of see scientific discovery as analogous to a problem being like a piece of paper, and solving that is like drawing a line across it. So you've sort of explained something but at the same time you have created more sections of un-lined paper. You can fill in the gaps in the paper all you want, but you will just end up with more, smaller, and smaller gaps Take sub atomic particles; just how small do they get? Is there even a limit on how small they could be? And do we need more and more powerful particle accelerators to discover the smaller and smaller particles, until the accelerator is the size of the Solar System, or the Galaxy, and even then their limited power limits how small you can look into the atom. Maybe there is no limit to the smallness of atoms. I only mentioned ecigarettes as I thought at least we could agree on something. :-) Crow

10:31am Wed 4 Dec 13

Crow says...

Basically scientists will always use the substance of the Universe to build tools to examine the Universe, so I think that there are definite limits on how much can be discovered using science.
Basically scientists will always use the substance of the Universe to build tools to examine the Universe, so I think that there are definite limits on how much can be discovered using science. Crow

12:02pm Wed 4 Dec 13

dimreepr says...

The LHC was designed, primarily, with the ‘higgs-boson’ in mind; not to smash stuff together to see how small it gets.
There are no limits to discovery, scientific understanding is on an exponential curve and we’ll never understand everything, but this is somewhat tangential to my point; which is, god doesn’t exist, in all probabilities, hence praying is pointless, you ‘re entitled to prove me wrong.
Oh and yes there is a smallest distance called ‘Plank length’, nothing can be smaller than that.
The LHC was designed, primarily, with the ‘higgs-boson’ in mind; not to smash stuff together to see how small it gets. There are no limits to discovery, scientific understanding is on an exponential curve and we’ll never understand everything, but this is somewhat tangential to my point; which is, god doesn’t exist, in all probabilities, hence praying is pointless, you ‘re entitled to prove me wrong. Oh and yes there is a smallest distance called ‘Plank length’, nothing can be smaller than that. dimreepr

12:16pm Wed 4 Dec 13

kjag23 says...

*Planck length, named after the physicist Max Planck. Not to be confused with the size of a plank!
Previously we thought the atom was the smallest, then the nucleons, and currently we see quarks as the smallest units of matter.
We have tried splitting them, but they refuse to exist on their own.
(isolate a quark and it will create itself another quark so it isn't lonely, isn't that nice?)
However, for all we know, quarks could be made of even smaller particles!
The wonder of science is that there's always more to know. We will always be striving to learn more about our world and indeed our universe. And there is always fascinating news and important discoveries.
Religion has remained mostly the same since its creation hundreds, perhaps thousands of years ago.
Doesn't it seem silly to base your life around a book written hundreds of years ago?
When you go to the doctors, do they administer you drugs created by chemists, or do they pray and drill a hole into your head?
If you want to use religion for good, to get out and help people, then by all means go ahead.
But remaining silent and simply praying for good?
That's poor.
*Planck length, named after the physicist Max Planck. Not to be confused with the size of a plank! Previously we thought the atom was the smallest, then the nucleons, and currently we see quarks as the smallest units of matter. We have tried splitting them, but they refuse to exist on their own. (isolate a quark and it will create itself another quark so it isn't lonely, isn't that nice?) However, for all we know, quarks could be made of even smaller particles! The wonder of science is that there's always more to know. We will always be striving to learn more about our world and indeed our universe. And there is always fascinating news and important discoveries. Religion has remained mostly the same since its creation hundreds, perhaps thousands of years ago. Doesn't it seem silly to base your life around a book written hundreds of years ago? When you go to the doctors, do they administer you drugs created by chemists, or do they pray and drill a hole into your head? If you want to use religion for good, to get out and help people, then by all means go ahead. But remaining silent and simply praying for good? That's poor. kjag23

12:29pm Wed 4 Dec 13

dimreepr says...

Ooops, my bad, thanks for the correction; this is what comes from relying on a machine to proof read.
Ooops, my bad, thanks for the correction; this is what comes from relying on a machine to proof read. dimreepr

7:43pm Thu 5 Dec 13

TigerTigerBurningBright says...

"When you go to the doctors, do they administer you drugs created by chemists, or do they pray and drill a hole into your head?"

Aha - that depends on what you believe in. I'm sure if you can pray to stop a fight then you can pray to stop a pixie infestation (or whatever it is that causes diseases).
"When you go to the doctors, do they administer you drugs created by chemists, or do they pray and drill a hole into your head?" Aha - that depends on what you believe in. I'm sure if you can pray to stop a fight then you can pray to stop a pixie infestation (or whatever it is that causes diseases). TigerTigerBurningBright

11:02pm Thu 5 Dec 13

kjag23 says...

I'm not sure if you're being serious...
I'm not sure if you're being serious... kjag23

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