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    InTheKnowOk wrote:
    OSPREYSAINT wrote:
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    RollandSmoke wrote:
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    RollandSmoke wrote:
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    Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
    So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
    Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...
    What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.
    There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ...

    Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off.

    How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system ..

    All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..
    I suspect the numbers of examples that you quote are minimal, most Pensioners have been paying money in all of their working life, now is the time that they should get some of it back. It annoys me that some people want to victimise old people, who probably spent all there life in the house that you want to kick them out of, are you aware how traumatic that can be. It is not their fault that there is a shortage of suitable housing, that lays elsewhere.
    Quote : "All I know is the less you have the more help you get .."
    I don't think that reads how you intended it.
    No it's not minimal, there are thousands of pensioners rattling around in 3 bed, 2 reception council houses that should be moved into 1 bed bungalows. It's not a God given right that they are housed in a family home forever. They are taking up a house that could go to a family.

    The less money you have, the more help you get, correct. If you've saved up and been careful all your life, working hard, paid into pensions etc, the less help you get at the end of the day.
    " If you've saved up and been careful all your life, working hard, paid into pensions etc, the less help you get at the end of the day."

    If that is the case and you have been careful you won't need any help. It's those that have not been able to save for their future that need help.

    Question: Where do you live and what kind of accomodation is it? Would it upset you to be evicted for some lame excuse like we need your house for a poor family of thirteen going on fourteen kids that are sponging off the state?"
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