Fairford man Larry Smith turned away from two local surgeries despite dripping blood onto the floor

Stroud News and Journal: Larry Smith sliced his arm down to the bone with a chainsaw at the end of March. He still has the scar as a reminder. Larry Smith sliced his arm down to the bone with a chainsaw at the end of March. He still has the scar as a reminder.

A MAN who sliced his arm down to the bone with a chainsaw in a serious work accident says he was turned away by both his local surgeries, despite the fact that he was dripping with blood.

Larry Smith, 62, from Fairford, was felling trees just around the corner from Lechlade Medical Centre at the end of March when an accident with a chainsaw left him with a gash in his arm all the way down to the bone.

He raced on foot to the nearby Lechlade Medical Centre but says he was turned away by staff because he was not a registered patient.

“Being a first responder I knew I’d done something serious to my arm,” said Larry. “I knew it was repairable but it needed immediate bandaging first."

A first responder is trained for attending the scene of local medical emergencies before an ambulance can get there.

Larry said he did not rush to the hospital right away because he knew his wound needed bandaging first.

“I couldn’t believe I was turned away. I was actually bleeding on their floor.”

Larry then drove himself to Fairford surgery, where he is a registered patient, but was again turned away because staff were too busy.

“I finally went to Boots pharmacy and patched myself up,” he said. “I then realised I shouldn’t be driving so I got my wife to take me to the hospital.”

He came out of Cirencester Hospital with 10 stitches in the wound and is now left with a long scar down his arm.

Neither Lechlade Medical Centre nor Fairford surgery was prepared to comment on the matter this week.

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9:59pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Why not just drive straight to the hospital? Why waste time going here and there... how ridiculous. Plus, any surgery would have told this man to go straight to MIU or A&E... a GP surgery dishes out pills, it doesn't provide a service for chainsaw injuries!
Why not just drive straight to the hospital? Why waste time going here and there... how ridiculous. Plus, any surgery would have told this man to go straight to MIU or A&E... a GP surgery dishes out pills, it doesn't provide a service for chainsaw injuries! Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: -15

5:10pm Fri 13 Jun 14

zer()cool says...

Jessica Rabbit wrote:
Why not just drive straight to the hospital? Why waste time going here and there... how ridiculous. Plus, any surgery would have told this man to go straight to MIU or A&E... a GP surgery dishes out pills, it doesn't provide a service for chainsaw injuries!
where the hell is your compassion, the guy had seriously injured himself, I suspect the fact he didn't panic was the reason he is still alive, & not dead from loss of blood.

I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, I suspect you would be looking for the first & nearest place for a bandage, at the very least, TBH 'too busy' is no excuse to get out of your duty of care as a Doctor.

I would of thought after preventing or lessening the loss of blood the Hospital would of been his next port of call for him, just shows how much like a business GP's surgeries are getting.

They could of least chucked him a bandage, at least. I know if i have a life threatening injury, not to bother my GP about it now...this country is becoming pathetic.

And remember all he wanted was the bandage, he didn't ask for medical care/attention, just to prevent him bleeding to death until he got to Hospital.
[quote][p][bold]Jessica Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Why not just drive straight to the hospital? Why waste time going here and there... how ridiculous. Plus, any surgery would have told this man to go straight to MIU or A&E... a GP surgery dishes out pills, it doesn't provide a service for chainsaw injuries![/p][/quote]where the hell is your compassion, the guy had seriously injured himself, I suspect the fact he didn't panic was the reason he is still alive, & not dead from loss of blood. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, I suspect you would be looking for the first & nearest place for a bandage, at the very least, TBH 'too busy' is no excuse to get out of your duty of care as a Doctor. I would of thought after preventing or lessening the loss of blood the Hospital would of been his next port of call for him, just shows how much like a business GP's surgeries are getting. They could of least chucked him a bandage, at least. I know if i have a life threatening injury, not to bother my GP about it now...this country is becoming pathetic. And remember all he wanted was the bandage, he didn't ask for medical care/attention, just to prevent him bleeding to death until he got to Hospital. zer()cool
  • Score: 24

6:39pm Fri 13 Jun 14

kjag23 says...

Jessica Rabbit I hope you're never in need of emergency medical attention with that attitude!
Jessica Rabbit I hope you're never in need of emergency medical attention with that attitude! kjag23
  • Score: 14

9:53pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Oooh... I do have compassion, lots of it... But practically he should have gone straight to MIU! Why waste time in an emergency! I'm thinking of him and his safety. Read in to my comment what you will... but slating the GPs doesn't help anyone, if an injury is bad, don't run around GP surgeries, get emergency treatment!
Oooh... I do have compassion, lots of it... But practically he should have gone straight to MIU! Why waste time in an emergency! I'm thinking of him and his safety. Read in to my comment what you will... but slating the GPs doesn't help anyone, if an injury is bad, don't run around GP surgeries, get emergency treatment! Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: -11

10:15am Sat 14 Jun 14

Metpol399 says...

As a First Responder common sense should have told him to go direct to A&E. If he had called 999 would they have said go to A&E or his local surgery?
Also as a First Responder what advise would he have given to somebody who have those injuries. Maybe wear the correct safety equipment!
A little bit bit of self publicity me thinks....
Dry your your eyes and crack on !!!
As a First Responder common sense should have told him to go direct to A&E. If he had called 999 would they have said go to A&E or his local surgery? Also as a First Responder what advise would he have given to somebody who have those injuries. Maybe wear the correct safety equipment! A little bit bit of self publicity me thinks.... Dry your your eyes and crack on !!! Metpol399
  • Score: -11

1:55pm Sat 14 Jun 14

kjag23 says...

From my experience, an ambulance can take up to an hour to arrive.
If there was a GPs surgery so close by then why not call in for an emergency bandage?
They would have had at least something and someone to see to him quickly until the ambulance arrived.
I'm sure the old biddies waiting for their weekly blood tests could have waited five minutes whilst a man with a semi-severed arm was seen to.
From my experience, an ambulance can take up to an hour to arrive. If there was a GPs surgery so close by then why not call in for an emergency bandage? They would have had at least something and someone to see to him quickly until the ambulance arrived. I'm sure the old biddies waiting for their weekly blood tests could have waited five minutes whilst a man with a semi-severed arm was seen to. kjag23
  • Score: 12

3:40pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

A semi-severed arm requires more than a bandage!! Like I said much earlier, MIU is for injuries, A+E is for accidents and emergencies, a GP surgery is to get medication from... it's obvious that this man should not have gone to a GP surgery or Boots the chemist... this wasted vital time and all it has created is negative press.
A semi-severed arm requires more than a bandage!! Like I said much earlier, MIU is for injuries, A+E is for accidents and emergencies, a GP surgery is to get medication from... it's obvious that this man should not have gone to a GP surgery or Boots the chemist... this wasted vital time and all it has created is negative press. Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 0

4:17pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Metpol399 says...

A non-life-threatening injury requires a 30 minute Green Two response as per the Gloucestershire Ambulance Service guidelines.
He was able to go to Lechlade then Fairford Surgeries then to Boots, he should have driven direct to Ciren A&E. Poor decision making from arguably a well trained First Aider.
Or if it was that bad sit down, direct pressure and elevate and call for a Ambulance or First responder.
A non-life-threatening injury requires a 30 minute Green Two response as per the Gloucestershire Ambulance Service guidelines. He was able to go to Lechlade then Fairford Surgeries then to Boots, he should have driven direct to Ciren A&E. Poor decision making from arguably a well trained First Aider. Or if it was that bad sit down, direct pressure and elevate and call for a Ambulance or First responder. Metpol399
  • Score: 7

8:57am Mon 16 Jun 14

Supreme Chancellor Finis Valorum says...

Metpol399 wrote:
A non-life-threatening injury requires a 30 minute Green Two response as per the Gloucestershire Ambulance Service guidelines.
He was able to go to Lechlade then Fairford Surgeries then to Boots, he should have driven direct to Ciren A&E. Poor decision making from arguably a well trained First Aider.
Or if it was that bad sit down, direct pressure and elevate and call for a Ambulance or First responder.
This .....

What an idiot this bloke is.

Should have gone straight to A & E.
[quote][p][bold]Metpol399[/bold] wrote: A non-life-threatening injury requires a 30 minute Green Two response as per the Gloucestershire Ambulance Service guidelines. He was able to go to Lechlade then Fairford Surgeries then to Boots, he should have driven direct to Ciren A&E. Poor decision making from arguably a well trained First Aider. Or if it was that bad sit down, direct pressure and elevate and call for a Ambulance or First responder.[/p][/quote]This ..... What an idiot this bloke is. Should have gone straight to A & E. Supreme Chancellor Finis Valorum
  • Score: -2

4:58pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Freda Piles says...

First aid first. Rediculous to turn this man away without giving him some treatment as he may have needed a tournique which he would not be able to put on himself without difficulty and time is important..
To those who said for him to drive straight to hospital- they may have had a different view if the man had done so and passed out on the way and crashed into them in the road. They would have then called him stupid.
It says little for the medical staff concerned.
First aid first. Rediculous to turn this man away without giving him some treatment as he may have needed a tournique which he would not be able to put on himself without difficulty and time is important.. To those who said for him to drive straight to hospital- they may have had a different view if the man had done so and passed out on the way and crashed into them in the road. They would have then called him stupid. It says little for the medical staff concerned. Freda Piles
  • Score: 12

11:05pm Thu 26 Jun 14

John Smith II says...

Disgraceful! - if a car accident occurred outside a surgery, I would expect to see any medically trained staff rushing out to assist - so this is no different, just that the casualty made their way in.

At the very least I would expect any NHS facility to provide basic first aid in an emergency situation - or perhaps some parts of the NHS aren't up to the job of caring for the sick and injured in the right way?
Disgraceful! - if a car accident occurred outside a surgery, I would expect to see any medically trained staff rushing out to assist - so this is no different, just that the casualty made their way in. At the very least I would expect any NHS facility to provide basic first aid in an emergency situation - or perhaps some parts of the NHS aren't up to the job of caring for the sick and injured in the right way? John Smith II
  • Score: 6

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