Plans for 150 homes at Mankley Field given go-ahead by inspector

Plans for 150 homes at Mankley Field given go-ahead by inspector

Plans for 150 homes at Mankley Field given go-ahead by inspector

First published in News Stroud News and Journal: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

PLANS to build 150 homes in Leonard Stanley have been allowed following an independent planning inquiry in May.

Planning inspector David Nicholson upheld the appeal lodged by developers Gladman after Stroud District Council’s development committee unanimously refused the application earlier in the year.

Gladman’s now has outline planning permission to build 150 homes on the land locally known as Mankley Field.

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11:29pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Grains says...

Sigh...District Council is to blame here.
Sigh...District Council is to blame here. Grains
  • Score: 7

11:57pm Mon 21 Jul 14

jaytee8937 says...

Could not agree more.
Could not agree more. jaytee8937
  • Score: 6

12:14pm Tue 22 Jul 14

A Stroud Worm says...

1) To the two posters above me, I assume you are OK with strangers coming to watch you at work and offering non-surportive critism of everything you do?

2) Rather than just sigh and moan, where would you have decided to build the new houses instead? Please offer more info than a sigh.
1) To the two posters above me, I assume you are OK with strangers coming to watch you at work and offering non-surportive critism of everything you do? 2) Rather than just sigh and moan, where would you have decided to build the new houses instead? Please offer more info than a sigh. A Stroud Worm
  • Score: -6

12:21pm Tue 22 Jul 14

RichardHillary1 says...

What about the Coalition and their local representative who opened the floodgates to the developers with their failed planning reforms?

We are feeling the force of that much more than the actions of our local planning department that has been ravaged by cuts over the last 4 years and stripped of any meaningful power.

If you want someone local to blame, blame Carmichael.
What about the Coalition and their local representative who opened the floodgates to the developers with their failed planning reforms? We are feeling the force of that much more than the actions of our local planning department that has been ravaged by cuts over the last 4 years and stripped of any meaningful power. If you want someone local to blame, blame Carmichael. RichardHillary1
  • Score: -6

6:35am Wed 23 Jul 14

Grains says...

A Stroud Worm wrote:
1) To the two posters above me, I assume you are OK with strangers coming to watch you at work and offering non-surportive critism of everything you do?

2) Rather than just sigh and moan, where would you have decided to build the new houses instead? Please offer more info than a sigh.
I have made comments on related stories for the past 3 years, the sigh is due to a complete exhaustion of saying the same thing for the last 3 years and watching SDC not have the ability to see what is directly in front of them. To spend 3 years saying "if this isn't sorted soon guys you will have no control over development in our backyard" and then to sit here trying not to say 'I told you so' when we get developer lead planning is exhausting.

See my comment here to see constructive input of what I believe would be best for my home town. http://www.stroudnew
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[quote][p][bold]A Stroud Worm[/bold] wrote: 1) To the two posters above me, I assume you are OK with strangers coming to watch you at work and offering non-surportive critism of everything you do? 2) Rather than just sigh and moan, where would you have decided to build the new houses instead? Please offer more info than a sigh.[/p][/quote]I have made comments on related stories for the past 3 years, the sigh is due to a complete exhaustion of saying the same thing for the last 3 years and watching SDC not have the ability to see what is directly in front of them. To spend 3 years saying "if this isn't sorted soon guys you will have no control over development in our backyard" and then to sit here trying not to say 'I told you so' when we get developer lead planning is exhausting. See my comment here to see constructive input of what I believe would be best for my home town. http://www.stroudnew sandjournal.co.uk/ne ws/11345041.Councils _join_forces_to_figh t_proposal_of_1_350_ new_homes_in_Stoneho use/ Grains
  • Score: 9

11:50pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Grains says...

RichardHillary1 wrote:
What about the Coalition and their local representative who opened the floodgates to the developers with their failed planning reforms?

We are feeling the force of that much more than the actions of our local planning department that has been ravaged by cuts over the last 4 years and stripped of any meaningful power.

If you want someone local to blame, blame Carmichael.
Sigh...the country needs a stimulation to get it out of this post-recession plateau, the best way to do this is to remove red tape and build. This happens all over the world, it is not unique to England. Point your fingers at developers all you like, but for every development of 100 houses there are thousands of workers working on these builds who can now put food on the table for their families, pay land tax, pay income tax, pay money to local services generating revenue. Building is hands down the most cost effective way to stimulate an economy.
The job of the local council, which has been handled so badly, is to understand these laws, and devise a plan to accommodate these laws in the best way possible for their local constituents. This is where they have failed, and allowed developers to step around these laws. This is what they do for a living, you can’t begrudge a company who are in the business of making money for exploiting another parties inability do their job.
The council had a requirement to devise a plan based on new laws (well they are hardly new...they have had plenty of time to plan for this) that were put in place to stimulate growth that would be beneficial to their constituents, they have failed in this responsibility, so the blame is on them, nobody else.
[quote][p][bold]RichardHillary1[/bold] wrote: What about the Coalition and their local representative who opened the floodgates to the developers with their failed planning reforms? We are feeling the force of that much more than the actions of our local planning department that has been ravaged by cuts over the last 4 years and stripped of any meaningful power. If you want someone local to blame, blame Carmichael.[/p][/quote]Sigh...the country needs a stimulation to get it out of this post-recession plateau, the best way to do this is to remove red tape and build. This happens all over the world, it is not unique to England. Point your fingers at developers all you like, but for every development of 100 houses there are thousands of workers working on these builds who can now put food on the table for their families, pay land tax, pay income tax, pay money to local services generating revenue. Building is hands down the most cost effective way to stimulate an economy. The job of the local council, which has been handled so badly, is to understand these laws, and devise a plan to accommodate these laws in the best way possible for their local constituents. This is where they have failed, and allowed developers to step around these laws. This is what they do for a living, you can’t begrudge a company who are in the business of making money for exploiting another parties inability do their job. The council had a requirement to devise a plan based on new laws (well they are hardly new...they have had plenty of time to plan for this) that were put in place to stimulate growth that would be beneficial to their constituents, they have failed in this responsibility, so the blame is on them, nobody else. Grains
  • Score: 7

9:54am Sat 26 Jul 14

stopbarratts@wadesfarm says...

@Grains - sorry, but I have to disagree here. The Government tore up the rule book and promised that they would give the local people more say in planning. We are a democracy. We send letters to the Council to object to inappropriate housing applications. Our locally appointed Councillors object. The plans are refused. The builders/developers go to appeal. The rejection is considered by a Government appointed inspector. This is NOT democracy, nor does it give power to the local people. We have met with our MP and implored him to ask the Government to give Councils across the Country more time to implement the Governments policy. (the majority of Councils in England are still struggling with the new planning policy, not just Stroud!), but the Government waffle on about neighbourhood plans which are just a distraction. SDC did put a plan together and it went to the Councillors to vote on (democracy), but they could not agree and there was a compromise which made Stroud vulnerable. As for housing - yes, we need more, but what people may not realise is that the Government give tax incentives to build on green field sites, but not brown field sites. And what happens when all the houses have been built? Look at Southern Ireland - a massive crash! Oh and Stroud Town Council are putting in a neighbourhood plan, which will cost the rate payers thousands of pounds and will basically reflect what the SDC are already doing. As for the weight of a neighbourhood plan? Well there are already cases where the Government appointed Inspector has taken them into account and still overturned refusals for planning. So, blame the Council if you still wish, but in my view, it is the Government who are responsible for this mess and if they wished, they could help us all tomorrow, after all, they listen to the views of their Constituents don't they?
@Grains - sorry, but I have to disagree here. The Government tore up the rule book and promised that they would give the local people more say in planning. We are a democracy. We send letters to the Council to object to inappropriate housing applications. Our locally appointed Councillors object. The plans are refused. The builders/developers go to appeal. The rejection is considered by a Government appointed inspector. This is NOT democracy, nor does it give power to the local people. We have met with our MP and implored him to ask the Government to give Councils across the Country more time to implement the Governments policy. (the majority of Councils in England are still struggling with the new planning policy, not just Stroud!), but the Government waffle on about neighbourhood plans which are just a distraction. SDC did put a plan together and it went to the Councillors to vote on (democracy), but they could not agree and there was a compromise which made Stroud vulnerable. As for housing - yes, we need more, but what people may not realise is that the Government give tax incentives to build on green field sites, but not brown field sites. And what happens when all the houses have been built? Look at Southern Ireland - a massive crash! Oh and Stroud Town Council are putting in a neighbourhood plan, which will cost the rate payers thousands of pounds and will basically reflect what the SDC are already doing. As for the weight of a neighbourhood plan? Well there are already cases where the Government appointed Inspector has taken them into account and still overturned refusals for planning. So, blame the Council if you still wish, but in my view, it is the Government who are responsible for this mess and if they wished, they could help us all tomorrow, after all, they listen to the views of their Constituents don't they? stopbarratts@wadesfarm
  • Score: -5

1:45pm Sat 26 Jul 14

jaytee8937 says...

SDC are not following planning laws!!!!!!!!!!!! They have been aware for many years about the NPPF. SDC are a law unto themselves and have flown close to the wind for many years now flirting with 5 year supply and dumping allocations as far away from Stroud as possible, but legally falling in their authority. Over 2000homes, nominally in Stroud, have been dumped on Glos city boundaries in the last 15 years and they are wanting 500 this time round at Hardwick - for us long term residents that is an area of land formerly known as Colethorp Farm - so get off your high horse about Greenfield sites. Lets use the Brownfield sites. Where have the occupants of these Brownfield sites gone? They have either closed down or moved to new industrial areas, invariably built on Greenfield sites!!!! If they have closed down then jobs have gone. If they have moved then it is probably towards Glos or Bristol onto new Industrial land built on Greenfield sites!!! Wake up Nimbys reality is knocking. Back to your Brownfield sites - ex industrial. In my lengthy time in the building industry I have heard many times- if you loose money in the ground you will never make it up ! So your theory is to take old Industrial sites and put housing on them. Dullard - cost per Sqm build gives you cost per sqm sell. Any old industrial site in Stroud is based on access to water and has had a history of wool, tanning,dying etc. Tight sites with God knows what in the ground with easy access to water, a recipe for high costs meaning any developer will go high density to try and lower costs. Do you really want to fill the Brimscombe valley with high rise Flats and townhouses that only investors can buy to let to first home buyers or those that have given up any hope of ever owning a bit of dirt!! As for Democracy, I think you have the wrong definition(or one that is only pertinent to Stroud Nimbys).Democracy does not define as doing what I want. I suggest you look up Totalitarian. Enjoy the views from your cottage overlooking Stroud withyour mortgage paid off.
SDC are not following planning laws!!!!!!!!!!!! They have been aware for many years about the NPPF. SDC are a law unto themselves and have flown close to the wind for many years now flirting with 5 year supply and dumping allocations as far away from Stroud as possible, but legally falling in their authority. Over 2000homes, nominally in Stroud, have been dumped on Glos city boundaries in the last 15 years and they are wanting 500 this time round at Hardwick - for us long term residents that is an area of land formerly known as Colethorp Farm - so get off your high horse about Greenfield sites. Lets use the Brownfield sites. Where have the occupants of these Brownfield sites gone? They have either closed down or moved to new industrial areas, invariably built on Greenfield sites!!!! If they have closed down then jobs have gone. If they have moved then it is probably towards Glos or Bristol onto new Industrial land built on Greenfield sites!!! Wake up Nimbys reality is knocking. Back to your Brownfield sites - ex industrial. In my lengthy time in the building industry I have heard many times- if you loose money in the ground you will never make it up ! So your theory is to take old Industrial sites and put housing on them. Dullard - cost per Sqm build gives you cost per sqm sell. Any old industrial site in Stroud is based on access to water and has had a history of wool, tanning,dying etc. Tight sites with God knows what in the ground with easy access to water, a recipe for high costs meaning any developer will go high density to try and lower costs. Do you really want to fill the Brimscombe valley with high rise Flats and townhouses that only investors can buy to let to first home buyers or those that have given up any hope of ever owning a bit of dirt!! As for Democracy, I think you have the wrong definition(or one that is only pertinent to Stroud Nimbys).Democracy does not define as doing what I want. I suggest you look up Totalitarian. Enjoy the views from your cottage overlooking Stroud withyour mortgage paid off. jaytee8937
  • Score: 4

10:26am Wed 30 Jul 14

Grains says...

stopbarratts@wadesfa
rm
wrote:
@Grains - sorry, but I have to disagree here. The Government tore up the rule book and promised that they would give the local people more say in planning. We are a democracy. We send letters to the Council to object to inappropriate housing applications. Our locally appointed Councillors object. The plans are refused. The builders/developers go to appeal. The rejection is considered by a Government appointed inspector. This is NOT democracy, nor does it give power to the local people. We have met with our MP and implored him to ask the Government to give Councils across the Country more time to implement the Governments policy. (the majority of Councils in England are still struggling with the new planning policy, not just Stroud!), but the Government waffle on about neighbourhood plans which are just a distraction. SDC did put a plan together and it went to the Councillors to vote on (democracy), but they could not agree and there was a compromise which made Stroud vulnerable. As for housing - yes, we need more, but what people may not realise is that the Government give tax incentives to build on green field sites, but not brown field sites. And what happens when all the houses have been built? Look at Southern Ireland - a massive crash! Oh and Stroud Town Council are putting in a neighbourhood plan, which will cost the rate payers thousands of pounds and will basically reflect what the SDC are already doing. As for the weight of a neighbourhood plan? Well there are already cases where the Government appointed Inspector has taken them into account and still overturned refusals for planning. So, blame the Council if you still wish, but in my view, it is the Government who are responsible for this mess and if they wished, they could help us all tomorrow, after all, they listen to the views of their Constituents don't they?
There was no 'ripping up of the rule book'. There was a national overhaul of planning laws to stimulate the economy, this didn't happen overnight.
You may send letters to council about building, but you area very small percentage of the population when you mention 'democracy'. Do you talk to the average bricklayer who needs work to pay his mortgage? Do you talk to the average first home buyer who works in Stroud and can't buy a home in the area because there is no affordable housing? Or do you stick to your circle of friends who all own their homes, have no need to work, and take the dog for a walk through the fields every day? You talk about the local constituents, who are these people? Are they your circle of friends you choose to spend your time with? Or are they the people who collect your rubbish, install your windows, deliver your mail, work in your local bank...? These people can not afford to buy in the area, which means when you want to sell up and upgrade guess what, there is nobody there ready to buy your house, leading to a crash that you talk of. The crash only comes when there isn't a steady supply of the first rung of the ladder, which is what the government is trying to approve without the red tape....
But come on let's be realistic here...the only reason you are concerned is because you own a home in the area that you don't want to risk reducing in price, but you have been happy to see huge developments approved around the district for the last 20+ years without ever speaking up...There is a name for people like you...NIMBY (not in my back yard). I bet you still think David Drew is the man to save the countryside...
[quote][p][bold]stopbarratts@wadesfa rm[/bold] wrote: @Grains - sorry, but I have to disagree here. The Government tore up the rule book and promised that they would give the local people more say in planning. We are a democracy. We send letters to the Council to object to inappropriate housing applications. Our locally appointed Councillors object. The plans are refused. The builders/developers go to appeal. The rejection is considered by a Government appointed inspector. This is NOT democracy, nor does it give power to the local people. We have met with our MP and implored him to ask the Government to give Councils across the Country more time to implement the Governments policy. (the majority of Councils in England are still struggling with the new planning policy, not just Stroud!), but the Government waffle on about neighbourhood plans which are just a distraction. SDC did put a plan together and it went to the Councillors to vote on (democracy), but they could not agree and there was a compromise which made Stroud vulnerable. As for housing - yes, we need more, but what people may not realise is that the Government give tax incentives to build on green field sites, but not brown field sites. And what happens when all the houses have been built? Look at Southern Ireland - a massive crash! Oh and Stroud Town Council are putting in a neighbourhood plan, which will cost the rate payers thousands of pounds and will basically reflect what the SDC are already doing. As for the weight of a neighbourhood plan? Well there are already cases where the Government appointed Inspector has taken them into account and still overturned refusals for planning. So, blame the Council if you still wish, but in my view, it is the Government who are responsible for this mess and if they wished, they could help us all tomorrow, after all, they listen to the views of their Constituents don't they?[/p][/quote]There was no 'ripping up of the rule book'. There was a national overhaul of planning laws to stimulate the economy, this didn't happen overnight. You may send letters to council about building, but you area very small percentage of the population when you mention 'democracy'. Do you talk to the average bricklayer who needs work to pay his mortgage? Do you talk to the average first home buyer who works in Stroud and can't buy a home in the area because there is no affordable housing? Or do you stick to your circle of friends who all own their homes, have no need to work, and take the dog for a walk through the fields every day? You talk about the local constituents, who are these people? Are they your circle of friends you choose to spend your time with? Or are they the people who collect your rubbish, install your windows, deliver your mail, work in your local bank...? These people can not afford to buy in the area, which means when you want to sell up and upgrade guess what, there is nobody there ready to buy your house, leading to a crash that you talk of. The crash only comes when there isn't a steady supply of the first rung of the ladder, which is what the government is trying to approve without the red tape.... But come on let's be realistic here...the only reason you are concerned is because you own a home in the area that you don't want to risk reducing in price, but you have been happy to see huge developments approved around the district for the last 20+ years without ever speaking up...There is a name for people like you...NIMBY (not in my back yard). I bet you still think David Drew is the man to save the countryside... Grains
  • Score: 4

1:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jaytee8937 says...

Maybe these people will wake up when the Tumbleweed is rolling thick down the High Street of Stroud - or is it already ?
Maybe these people will wake up when the Tumbleweed is rolling thick down the High Street of Stroud - or is it already ? jaytee8937
  • Score: 3

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