Dursley gardener threatened with arson by "cat lovers"

Dr Clive Moforth has received arson threats in reaction to his plans to curb cat numbers in his now bird-free garden

Dr Clive Moforth has received arson threats in reaction to his plans to curb cat numbers in his now bird-free garden

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A FRUSTRATED gardener from Dursley has had arson threats from cat-lovers after warning he will “take action” against moggies which killed birds in his garden.

Dr Clive Mowforth, 57, leafleted cat-owning neighbours with pictures of dead birds in his garden which had fallen victim to their pets.

In his letter he said "drastic action" would be taken if the problem persisted - provoking a storm of protest.

Speaking to the Gazette however, Dr Mowforth said the "action" included netting and lion dung to put off the pesky felines.

The chemist said he used to see large numbers of birds but as the cat population has increased, bird numbers have fallen.

"Up to ten different cats visit the garden at all times of day and night," he said.

"This summer we have lost numerous blackbirds and wood pigeons to cats but the death toll has begun to escalate.

"In the last week alone, cats have killed a jackdaw, a blackbird and a house sparrow. I was watching the sparrow whilst eating my dinner. She was sat quietly enjoying the food in the evening sun when a cat leapt right onto the shoulder-height table, grabbed the bird and ran off. This was the final straw.”

Dr Mowforth leafleted nearby households with pictures from video surveillance of the worst offenders, asking cat-owners to control their charges and said that action would be taken if the problem persisted.

"This has led to numerous complaints to the police and RSPCA, and the extreme elements within the pro-cat brigade have threatened arson," he said.

"The bird table has been put away until the first set of deterrents is in place.

"I don’t see why I should have to pay to protect the birds in my garden from cat-owners who simply let their pets roam free. If a dog went into a neighbour’s garden, dug holes, left excrement and killed wildlife, all hell would be let loose.

"I expect to have to spend hundreds of pounds over the coming months."

Whilst the RSPB estimates that cats kill 55 million birds every year they do not back control measures.

"This seems amazing to me," said Dr Mowforth.

“I suspect this is a political decision designed to appease members who own cats."

Dr Mowforth said that legislation is needed to ensure all cats are micro-chipped and wear an audible device to warn of their presence.

He also thinks that owners who choose to let their cats roam free should be subject to the same rules as dog-owners and be made responsible for the actions of their pets, adding "In the longer term there needs to be a widespread neutering campaign to bring down the size of the enormous cat population.

"I have spent over a decade converting my garden into a paradise for birds.

"But despite being close to woodland I see few birds these days and those that do venture to my lawn, pond and bird table run the risk of being killed by cats.

"Changes in agriculture and habitat loss have had a dramatic effect on bird numbers but locally cats can also have a big influence."

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6:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Friend of Dursley says...

If there have been arson threats towards Dr Mowforth, then I would expect the police to have been involved in the same way that they were in response to his letter, which they considered threatening enough to warrant a visit from them - something the article fails to mention. Having seen the letter, it was very unpleasant. In the same way that he is a bird-lover, there are also cat-lovers in the area who do not appreciate an unspecified threat of taking 'drastic action' against their pets if the natural behaviour of their animals continues.
It is possible to buy ultrasonic scarers, use harmless powders or fruit peel to deter cats from the garden. If Dr Mowforth has installed video surveillance, then perhaps he could even install motion activated water sprinklers. This might eventually be cheaper than a long term supply of lion dung - which I believe is also a very good solution. If only he had thought to mention this in his threatening letter.
If there have been arson threats towards Dr Mowforth, then I would expect the police to have been involved in the same way that they were in response to his letter, which they considered threatening enough to warrant a visit from them - something the article fails to mention. Having seen the letter, it was very unpleasant. In the same way that he is a bird-lover, there are also cat-lovers in the area who do not appreciate an unspecified threat of taking 'drastic action' against their pets if the natural behaviour of their animals continues. It is possible to buy ultrasonic scarers, use harmless powders or fruit peel to deter cats from the garden. If Dr Mowforth has installed video surveillance, then perhaps he could even install motion activated water sprinklers. This might eventually be cheaper than a long term supply of lion dung - which I believe is also a very good solution. If only he had thought to mention this in his threatening letter. Friend of Dursley
  • Score: 17

9:08pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Alex in Dursley says...

I am a little surprised that this was reported in this way instead of focusing on the number of people who were upset and frightened by Dr Mowforth's threatening and sinister letter. I wonder if he really was threatened with arson and if any evidence has been given to the Police. The Police however did confirm to me that a number of people had complained about Dr Mowforth's deliberately ambiguous letter that was intended to be threatening.

Why hasn't Dr Mowforth spent his energy just taking measures to easily deter cats from his garden instead of going to the great lengths that he has to film them, record their comings and goings and disseminate threatening letters to neighbors.

This is truly bizzare. How does Dr Mowforth expect cats to be controlled? It's absurd. I feel very sad for Dr Mowforth; having now alienated himself from all of his neighbours he has taken part in an article that will make him a local laughing-stock. I really hope that Dr Mowforth is able to let go of his petty spite and anger and finds a more peaceful way to live.
I am a little surprised that this was reported in this way instead of focusing on the number of people who were upset and frightened by Dr Mowforth's threatening and sinister letter. I wonder if he really was threatened with arson and if any evidence has been given to the Police. The Police however did confirm to me that a number of people had complained about Dr Mowforth's deliberately ambiguous letter that was intended to be threatening. Why hasn't Dr Mowforth spent his energy just taking measures to easily deter cats from his garden instead of going to the great lengths that he has to film them, record their comings and goings and disseminate threatening letters to neighbors. This is truly bizzare. How does Dr Mowforth expect cats to be controlled? It's absurd. I feel very sad for Dr Mowforth; having now alienated himself from all of his neighbours he has taken part in an article that will make him a local laughing-stock. I really hope that Dr Mowforth is able to let go of his petty spite and anger and finds a more peaceful way to live. Alex in Dursley
  • Score: 6

11:08pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Zoon_Politikon says...

Is it not time for a blanket neutering programme to all but wipe out the cat population? I cannot see any positive in their role as pets to justify the appalling number of birds and other wildlife killed or, for that matter, the mess cats create in all neighbours’ gardens. In the meantime perhaps Clive should consider adopting a greyhound.
Is it not time for a blanket neutering programme to all but wipe out the cat population? I cannot see any positive in their role as pets to justify the appalling number of birds and other wildlife killed or, for that matter, the mess cats create in all neighbours’ gardens. In the meantime perhaps Clive should consider adopting a greyhound. Zoon_Politikon
  • Score: 0

3:11am Sat 9 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

I was one of the lucky recipients of Dr Mowforth's bizarre and ill-considered communication. After my laughter had subsided, I sent a scan of it to Gloucestershire Constabulary, as the final line about "drastic action" came across as a threat. I also entered Dr Mowforth's name into a search engine and was interested to discover that he is also responsible for a shrill and tedious website moaning about golfers on Stinchcombe Hill. I walk my dogs on the golf course every day and find the golfers pleasant and courteous.
I was one of the lucky recipients of Dr Mowforth's bizarre and ill-considered communication. After my laughter had subsided, I sent a scan of it to Gloucestershire Constabulary, as the final line about "drastic action" came across as a threat. I also entered Dr Mowforth's name into a search engine and was interested to discover that he is also responsible for a shrill and tedious website moaning about golfers on Stinchcombe Hill. I walk my dogs on the golf course every day and find the golfers pleasant and courteous. Cheeseford
  • Score: 8

6:36am Sat 9 Aug 14

Alex in Dursley says...

It seems Dr Mowforth spends most of his time simply upsetting people - and then this news outlet indulges him by printing his ridiculous complaints from his warped point of view; like this where he antagonised golfers and then committed criminal damage-
http://www.gazettese
ries.co.uk/news/9033
25.0/
It seems Dr Mowforth spends most of his time simply upsetting people - and then this news outlet indulges him by printing his ridiculous complaints from his warped point of view; like this where he antagonised golfers and then committed criminal damage- http://www.gazettese ries.co.uk/news/9033 25.0/ Alex in Dursley
  • Score: -2

7:28am Sat 9 Aug 14

Mothman says...

With one exception (so far), it seems that the commentators are side-stepping the cat problem, and are descending into personal attacks.

Returning to the real issue. This area of Dursley, like others, is becoming a sterile urban jungle devoid of wildlife, as green space is lost to vast numbers of car parks, and what little remains is patrolled by killer cats.

It is sad that some people think that they can get a cat, let it out to wander out of control, leaving filth and killing wildlife. We're not talking about public spaces here; these are people's private gardens! Such behaviour is selfish, irresponsible, anti-social, filthy and is bad for the environment.

I'm glad to see one person standing up for the environment and our precious wildlife.
With one exception (so far), it seems that the commentators are side-stepping the cat problem, and are descending into personal attacks. Returning to the real issue. This area of Dursley, like others, is becoming a sterile urban jungle devoid of wildlife, as green space is lost to vast numbers of car parks, and what little remains is patrolled by killer cats. It is sad that some people think that they can get a cat, let it out to wander out of control, leaving filth and killing wildlife. We're not talking about public spaces here; these are people's private gardens! Such behaviour is selfish, irresponsible, anti-social, filthy and is bad for the environment. I'm glad to see one person standing up for the environment and our precious wildlife. Mothman
  • Score: 13

7:34am Sat 9 Aug 14

Alex in Dursley says...

There are no personal attacks here, just facts about Dr Mowforth's misguided behaviour. Problem or not, Dr Mowforth's actions which are indeed anti social and are covered in Section 5 of public order act 1986, cannot be justified. Feel whatever way you want about this issue
There are no personal attacks here, just facts about Dr Mowforth's misguided behaviour. Problem or not, Dr Mowforth's actions which are indeed anti social and are covered in Section 5 of public order act 1986, cannot be justified. Feel whatever way you want about this issue Alex in Dursley
  • Score: -2

7:50am Sat 9 Aug 14

Green teapot says...

One-sided reporting or what? The Gazette has neglected to mention the content of the note, nor (it seems) even attempted to speak to any of the residents who received the note. Yes, the arson threat was out of order and presumably the police have been informed. But it is also intimidating and disturbing to receive a note with the threat of unspecified "drastic action". Did the paper attempt to find out neighbours' views?
This article, had it not been so unbalanced and over-sensationalised
, could also have been an opportunity to share tips on safely deterring cats. For example: water sprays, citrus peel, electronic high-pitch noise scarers, even keeping bird feeders out of cats' reach. (Also, having a pet cat is a good way to keep nearby cats out..... erm, no?)
There are sadly many reasons for the decline in wildlife. Insect pesticides, increased urban development, a changing climate, food shortages following flooding... Terribly sad, but cats are not the only culprit. Yes, cats instinctively kill some wildlife but people have been keeping cats for hundreds of years.
I sympathise with Dr Mowforth's problem but I believe the issue would be much better dealt with by getting some cat deterrent advice and not by antagonising his neighbours.
One-sided reporting or what? The Gazette has neglected to mention the content of the note, nor (it seems) even attempted to speak to any of the residents who received the note. Yes, the arson threat was out of order and presumably the police have been informed. But it is also intimidating and disturbing to receive a note with the threat of unspecified "drastic action". Did the paper attempt to find out neighbours' views? This article, had it not been so unbalanced and over-sensationalised , could also have been an opportunity to share tips on safely deterring cats. For example: water sprays, citrus peel, electronic high-pitch noise scarers, even keeping bird feeders out of cats' reach. (Also, having a pet cat is a good way to keep nearby cats out..... erm, no?) There are sadly many reasons for the decline in wildlife. Insect pesticides, increased urban development, a changing climate, food shortages following flooding... Terribly sad, but cats are not the only culprit. Yes, cats instinctively kill some wildlife but people have been keeping cats for hundreds of years. I sympathise with Dr Mowforth's problem but I believe the issue would be much better dealt with by getting some cat deterrent advice and not by antagonising his neighbours. Green teapot
  • Score: -5

7:52am Sat 9 Aug 14

Green teapot says...

One-sided reporting or what? The Gazette has neglected to mention the content of the note, nor (it seems) even attempted to speak to any of the residents who received the note. Yes, the arson threat was out of order and presumably the police have been informed. But it is also intimidating and disturbing to receive a note with the threat of unspecified "drastic action". Did the paper attempt to find out neighbours' views?
This article, had it not been so unbalanced and over-sensationalised
, could also have been an opportunity to share tips on safely deterring cats. For example: water sprays, citrus peel, electronic high-pitch noise scarers, even keeping bird feeders out of cats' reach. (Also, having a pet cat is a good way to keep nearby cats out..... erm, no?)
There are sadly many reasons for the decline in wildlife. Insect pesticides, increased urban development, a changing climate, food shortages following flooding... Terribly sad, but cats are not the only culprit. Yes, cats instinctively kill some wildlife but people have been keeping cats for hundreds of years.
I sympathise with Dr Mowforth's problem but I believe the issue would be much better dealt with by getting some cat deterrent advice and not by antagonising his neighbours.
One-sided reporting or what? The Gazette has neglected to mention the content of the note, nor (it seems) even attempted to speak to any of the residents who received the note. Yes, the arson threat was out of order and presumably the police have been informed. But it is also intimidating and disturbing to receive a note with the threat of unspecified "drastic action". Did the paper attempt to find out neighbours' views? This article, had it not been so unbalanced and over-sensationalised , could also have been an opportunity to share tips on safely deterring cats. For example: water sprays, citrus peel, electronic high-pitch noise scarers, even keeping bird feeders out of cats' reach. (Also, having a pet cat is a good way to keep nearby cats out..... erm, no?) There are sadly many reasons for the decline in wildlife. Insect pesticides, increased urban development, a changing climate, food shortages following flooding... Terribly sad, but cats are not the only culprit. Yes, cats instinctively kill some wildlife but people have been keeping cats for hundreds of years. I sympathise with Dr Mowforth's problem but I believe the issue would be much better dealt with by getting some cat deterrent advice and not by antagonising his neighbours. Green teapot
  • Score: -7

11:26am Sat 9 Aug 14

Markymark1979 says...

Neither side appear to be helping each other.
The bird loving Doctor clearly needs to learn some communication skills but that doesn't stop him having a valid point. Cats are a pest and any owners that allow them to roam free and kill are either stupid or selfish (maybe even both).
All this nonsense about it only being nature; valid if these weren't domesticated animals. Deterrents that actually work are often expensive or labour intensive and all to keep someone else's pet from invading your space.
Neither side appear to be helping each other. The bird loving Doctor clearly needs to learn some communication skills but that doesn't stop him having a valid point. Cats are a pest and any owners that allow them to roam free and kill are either stupid or selfish (maybe even both). All this nonsense about it only being nature; valid if these weren't domesticated animals. Deterrents that actually work are often expensive or labour intensive and all to keep someone else's pet from invading your space. Markymark1979
  • Score: 17

12:13pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

It is not a personal attack to point out that someone has a history of starting tedious, self-serving campaigns. With regard to the golf thing, there may well be a public right of way across a fairway, but it is common sense not to use it while people are playing on it. A road is a public right of way, but would you try crossing when the traffic's moving at 50mph? There's also craplawn.co.uk, a website devoted to naming and shaming a gardener who slighted Dr Mowforth in 2000.

I don't like cats crapping on my garden, but I like threatening junk mail even less. Dr Mowforth's note was headed 'Cat Menace', but what about people who post menacing literature through strangers' letterboxes?

By the way, I am informed by a local pest control expert that woodpigeons and jackdaws are covered by the section 1 general licence. It is thus legal to kill them if they cause serious damage and non-fatal methods have failed. Perhaps Dr Mowforth should concentrate his efforts on getting cats covered by this legislation? He can start another terrible website.
It is not a personal attack to point out that someone has a history of starting tedious, self-serving campaigns. With regard to the golf thing, there may well be a public right of way across a fairway, but it is common sense not to use it while people are playing on it. A road is a public right of way, but would you try crossing when the traffic's moving at 50mph? There's also craplawn.co.uk, a website devoted to naming and shaming a gardener who slighted Dr Mowforth in 2000. I don't like cats crapping on my garden, but I like threatening junk mail even less. Dr Mowforth's note was headed 'Cat Menace', but what about people who post menacing literature through strangers' letterboxes? By the way, I am informed by a local pest control expert that woodpigeons and jackdaws are covered by the section 1 general licence. It is thus legal to kill them if they cause serious damage and non-fatal methods have failed. Perhaps Dr Mowforth should concentrate his efforts on getting cats covered by this legislation? He can start another terrible website. Cheeseford
  • Score: 10

12:15pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

As for this article, I'm sure that a full, balanced report will appear in next week's Gazette.
As for this article, I'm sure that a full, balanced report will appear in next week's Gazette. Cheeseford
  • Score: 1

4:25pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Oliviasecret says...

I am appalled at the threats made by this educated person on cats. He is the one interfering with the circle of life by encouraging birds to be targets for it's predators, cats, foxes and dogs. Feeders should be placed high and mounted on metal poles that predators cannot climb or Sycamore trees that cats cannot climb and away from fences. Common sense, no animal is above any other and all have a right to live and die as nature intended. Most birds do not find themselves in the path of a cat. He is destroying the circle of life and needs to accept that he should not be feeding birds where it puts their lives in danger.
I am appalled at the threats made by this educated person on cats. He is the one interfering with the circle of life by encouraging birds to be targets for it's predators, cats, foxes and dogs. Feeders should be placed high and mounted on metal poles that predators cannot climb or Sycamore trees that cats cannot climb and away from fences. Common sense, no animal is above any other and all have a right to live and die as nature intended. Most birds do not find themselves in the path of a cat. He is destroying the circle of life and needs to accept that he should not be feeding birds where it puts their lives in danger. Oliviasecret
  • Score: -4

6:11pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Alex in Dursley says...

Regardless of Dr Mowforths threatening mail to his neighbours (of which i am one) all this debate of whether cats are menace is not valid. Dr Mowforth lives in an urban area, opposite a Lidl; just how much wildlife does he expect to see? These houses have been here since the 1930's, hence I am guessing it was an urbanised area when Dr Mowforth moved here. Where there are people settling there will be their pets. I too like to see birds in my garden but when I moved here I knew that would not be likely because of the cats; I was also not inclined, as Dr Mowforth has been, to put up a bird table and actively lure birds to their deaths.
Regardless of Dr Mowforths threatening mail to his neighbours (of which i am one) all this debate of whether cats are menace is not valid. Dr Mowforth lives in an urban area, opposite a Lidl; just how much wildlife does he expect to see? These houses have been here since the 1930's, hence I am guessing it was an urbanised area when Dr Mowforth moved here. Where there are people settling there will be their pets. I too like to see birds in my garden but when I moved here I knew that would not be likely because of the cats; I was also not inclined, as Dr Mowforth has been, to put up a bird table and actively lure birds to their deaths. Alex in Dursley
  • Score: 6

6:29pm Sat 9 Aug 14

PestMan UK says...

I have spent the past 15 years setting up a butterfly garden at my house in Dursley. Now, I have to tolerate the wiping out of entire populations of caterpillars and pupae by murderous and evil birds that frequent the garden.

I introduced a family of cats to my garden in order to control the bird population, but this only resulted in an increase in cats, which have bred and overrun the surrounding neighbourhood.

I have therefore started to breed dogs in my large garden shed, in the hope that this will be a resolution to the cat problem that I thought would stop the birds eating the butterflies...if only I'd thought this through...
I have spent the past 15 years setting up a butterfly garden at my house in Dursley. Now, I have to tolerate the wiping out of entire populations of caterpillars and pupae by murderous and evil birds that frequent the garden. I introduced a family of cats to my garden in order to control the bird population, but this only resulted in an increase in cats, which have bred and overrun the surrounding neighbourhood. I have therefore started to breed dogs in my large garden shed, in the hope that this will be a resolution to the cat problem that I thought would stop the birds eating the butterflies...if only I'd thought this through... PestMan UK
  • Score: 20

7:28pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Friend of Dursley says...

According to the report in the Daily Telegraph today, now that this story has gone national, Gloucestershire Police have no record of arson threats reported.

Apparently the bird murder rate was also estimated as one bird a month, by Dr Mowforth. I wonder how this compares to the mortality rate from other causes, like for instance, predation by other birds ?
According to the report in the Daily Telegraph today, now that this story has gone national, Gloucestershire Police have no record of arson threats reported. Apparently the bird murder rate was also estimated as one bird a month, by Dr Mowforth. I wonder how this compares to the mortality rate from other causes, like for instance, predation by other birds ? Friend of Dursley
  • Score: 4

7:31pm Sat 9 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

If cat owners had to assume responsibility for the anti social actions of their pets as do dog owners they probably wouldn't bother owning cats ? Cats crap in other peoples garden as well as decimate the wildlife and I think the law should at least offer "me" the right to ask a neighbour to keep their "introduced predator" in their own garden. Why not ?
If cat owners had to assume responsibility for the anti social actions of their pets as do dog owners they probably wouldn't bother owning cats ? Cats crap in other peoples garden as well as decimate the wildlife and I think the law should at least offer "me" the right to ask a neighbour to keep their "introduced predator" in their own garden. Why not ? catnip100
  • Score: 14

7:50pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Alex in Dursley says...

"Asking" probably would be OK, still not possible to control cats, but this would be OK. It would be better than sending threatening letters to all of his neighbours. I can't believe this nonsense has gotten in to the national press. I am amazed at the energy this man has gone to to carry out a campaign of hate on innocent people, and creating the lie of "arson threats" of which this article leads with just to further his own petty aims. The police have confirmed no such threats were made. We do however have evidence that Dr Mowforth, a supposedly educated man,
"Asking" probably would be OK, still not possible to control cats, but this would be OK. It would be better than sending threatening letters to all of his neighbours. I can't believe this nonsense has gotten in to the national press. I am amazed at the energy this man has gone to to carry out a campaign of hate on innocent people, and creating the lie of "arson threats" of which this article leads with just to further his own petty aims. The police have confirmed no such threats were made. We do however have evidence that Dr Mowforth, a supposedly educated man, Alex in Dursley
  • Score: 4

9:45pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

From the Daily Telegraph website article about Mowforth: "Gloucestershire Police said there did not appear to be any instances of arson threats recorded."

Funny, that. Of course, it's entirely possible that Mowforth misheard another word as 'arson'.
From the Daily Telegraph website article about Mowforth: "Gloucestershire Police said there did not appear to be any instances of arson threats recorded." Funny, that. Of course, it's entirely possible that Mowforth misheard another word as 'arson'. Cheeseford
  • Score: 11

9:50pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

A link to the Telegraph article: http://www.telegraph
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Does Dr Mowforth work for Oxford University currently? If not, the headline is a little misleading.
A link to the Telegraph article: http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/uknews/l aw-and-order/1102159 0/Oxford-scientist-w arns-of-drastic-acti on-if-neighbours-all ow-cats-to-roam-and- kill-birds.html Does Dr Mowforth work for Oxford University currently? If not, the headline is a little misleading. Cheeseford
  • Score: -3

7:24am Sun 10 Aug 14

Clive Mowforth says...

Alex in Dursley wrote:
It seems Dr Mowforth spends most of his time simply upsetting people - and then this news outlet indulges him by printing his ridiculous complaints from his warped point of view; like this where he antagonised golfers and then committed criminal damage-
http://www.gazettese

ries.co.uk/news/9033

25.0/
As "Alex" wishes to rake up this issue, here are a few FACTS:
(1) There was no criminal damage.
(2) I was assaulted by a golfer for walking on a public right of way, suffering actual bodily harm.
(3) The thug and two golfing witnesses gave false written statements to the police (the thug had previous convictions for dishonesty).
(4) All three perverted the course of justice.
[quote][p][bold]Alex in Dursley[/bold] wrote: It seems Dr Mowforth spends most of his time simply upsetting people - and then this news outlet indulges him by printing his ridiculous complaints from his warped point of view; like this where he antagonised golfers and then committed criminal damage- http://www.gazettese ries.co.uk/news/9033 25.0/[/p][/quote]As "Alex" wishes to rake up this issue, here are a few FACTS: (1) There was no criminal damage. (2) I was assaulted by a golfer for walking on a public right of way, suffering actual bodily harm. (3) The thug and two golfing witnesses gave false written statements to the police (the thug had previous convictions for dishonesty). (4) All three perverted the course of justice. Clive Mowforth
  • Score: -13

8:02am Sun 10 Aug 14

Cuthbert Thickett says...

Dear Clive

As a supposedly educated man, you should know that a FACT, is something that "is a thing that is known or proved to be true"

You received a fixed penalty from the Police for criminal damage, that is a fact.

Your other "Facts" are simply your interpretation or beliefs of what happened on that fateful day, possibly clouded by the emotional distress you appear to suffer from time to time. I am sure that the other parties to the incident would take an alternative view (opinion not fact)

Emotional distress is a terrible thing, it can change the way we think and see things, leading us to make decisions and judgements which are not always the best. I believe that help is available.
Dear Clive As a supposedly educated man, you should know that a FACT, is something that "is a thing that is known or proved to be true" You received a fixed penalty from the Police for criminal damage, that is a fact. Your other "Facts" are simply your interpretation or beliefs of what happened on that fateful day, possibly clouded by the emotional distress you appear to suffer from time to time. I am sure that the other parties to the incident would take an alternative view (opinion not fact) Emotional distress is a terrible thing, it can change the way we think and see things, leading us to make decisions and judgements which are not always the best. I believe that help is available. Cuthbert Thickett
  • Score: 10

1:51pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

Dr Mowforth refers to "extreme elements in the pro-cat brigade". In the two years since I moved to Dursley, I've only come across one 'extreme element' of anything, and that's Dr Mowforth.
Dr Mowforth refers to "extreme elements in the pro-cat brigade". In the two years since I moved to Dursley, I've only come across one 'extreme element' of anything, and that's Dr Mowforth. Cheeseford
  • Score: 5

1:52pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

Dr Mowforth, why do you feel the need to capitalise the word 'facts'? Do you think it makes them more factual?
Dr Mowforth, why do you feel the need to capitalise the word 'facts'? Do you think it makes them more factual? Cheeseford
  • Score: 3

2:10pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

A couple of interesting facts for Dr Mowforth. Gloucestershire Police say they have received no report of an arson threat. However, a police officer telephoned me last night to say they had received several reports about Dr Mowforth's threatening note and that a couple of officers had visited him to give him "some advice".
A couple of interesting facts for Dr Mowforth. Gloucestershire Police say they have received no report of an arson threat. However, a police officer telephoned me last night to say they had received several reports about Dr Mowforth's threatening note and that a couple of officers had visited him to give him "some advice". Cheeseford
  • Score: 4

3:54pm Sun 10 Aug 14

dixyblue says...

I have just witnessed a jackdaw carrying off a slow worm from our small and precious garden colony.
With this fresh in my mind I would like to borrow the cat responsible for taking out one of his jackdaws .......

You can't blame a single predatory species for its behaviour, they all take other creatures that some of us would rather they didn't..
I have just witnessed a jackdaw carrying off a slow worm from our small and precious garden colony. With this fresh in my mind I would like to borrow the cat responsible for taking out one of his jackdaws ....... You can't blame a single predatory species for its behaviour, they all take other creatures that some of us would rather they didn't.. dixyblue
  • Score: 5

5:18pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Brian Banks says...

I sympathise with Dr Mowatt. The behaviour of cat owners is incredibly selfish. By all means keep cats, but confine them to your property. We keep a pet house rabbit, and let it out for exercise in our secure garden, but this year cat numbers have increased and it has been chased, and also scared when indoors as the unwanted felines regularly peer through the windows at it.

Our garden is also managed to benefit birds, and they also regularly kill birds. I am not anti- predator but there is a difference between a wild animal that normally occurs at sustainably low densities in the countryside, and the excessively high numbers of cats that wreak havoc in urban areas, supported by feeding.

I would like to think that cat owners would listen and be more responsible rather than just allowing their cats to roam free into other peoples gardens to terrorise other pets and wildlife and soil neighbours gardens.
I sympathise with Dr Mowatt. The behaviour of cat owners is incredibly selfish. By all means keep cats, but confine them to your property. We keep a pet house rabbit, and let it out for exercise in our secure garden, but this year cat numbers have increased and it has been chased, and also scared when indoors as the unwanted felines regularly peer through the windows at it. Our garden is also managed to benefit birds, and they also regularly kill birds. I am not anti- predator but there is a difference between a wild animal that normally occurs at sustainably low densities in the countryside, and the excessively high numbers of cats that wreak havoc in urban areas, supported by feeding. I would like to think that cat owners would listen and be more responsible rather than just allowing their cats to roam free into other peoples gardens to terrorise other pets and wildlife and soil neighbours gardens. Brian Banks
  • Score: 11

6:04pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Seftonboy says...

Just seen this on the news. What an utterly crass man and a very foolish thing to do, alienating cat-lovers like this. If this is the level of common-sense and mentality bestowed upon one by a university eduction, then thank goodness I went to a comprehensive school!!

Cats don't know any better and can't think logically - seems he has more in common with them than he realizes.
Just seen this on the news. What an utterly crass man and a very foolish thing to do, alienating cat-lovers like this. If this is the level of common-sense and mentality bestowed upon one by a university eduction, then thank goodness I went to a comprehensive school!! Cats don't know any better and can't think logically - seems he has more in common with them than he realizes. Seftonboy
  • Score: -4

6:36pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

I notice Sky News didn't mention the supposed arson threat.
I notice Sky News didn't mention the supposed arson threat. Cheeseford
  • Score: 1

8:21pm Sun 10 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

The cat is an "introduced predator" and yes I accept your RIGHT to own one or six or whatever ..why can you NOT accept my wish to not want it in my garden If we had a legal right to ask you to keep it away some of the stupid chemical / CD / Lion crap methods would not be necessary ?
I love the Frogs the Door mice the Voles etc & the Birds in MY Garden not your Cat.
The cat is an "introduced predator" and yes I accept your RIGHT to own one or six or whatever ..why can you NOT accept my wish to not want it in my garden If we had a legal right to ask you to keep it away some of the stupid chemical / CD / Lion crap methods would not be necessary ? I love the Frogs the Door mice the Voles etc & the Birds in MY Garden not your Cat. catnip100
  • Score: 14

8:32pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

I haven't got a cat, and my two dogs keep cats away from my garden pretty effectively. I still think Dr Mowforth is a pillock.
I haven't got a cat, and my two dogs keep cats away from my garden pretty effectively. I still think Dr Mowforth is a pillock. Cheeseford
  • Score: 10

8:35pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Brian Banks says...

"Cats don't know any better and can't think logically"

Actually it seems the inability to think logically are the sort of people that buy predatory animals and let them loose to wreak havoc. Oh, and they expect other people to buy cat deterents (£50 a go) to try to reduce the problem others have caused through their thoughtless behaviour.
"Cats don't know any better and can't think logically" Actually it seems the inability to think logically are the sort of people that buy predatory animals and let them loose to wreak havoc. Oh, and they expect other people to buy cat deterents (£50 a go) to try to reduce the problem others have caused through their thoughtless behaviour. Brian Banks
  • Score: 12

8:47pm Sun 10 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

comparing predation of the native wildlife by cats to that of Foxes / Sparrowhawks etc is IMO indicative of someone who cares little and knows even less about our environment & natural heritage.In America & Australia domestics cats can be controlled. In the UK cats have their Right to roam status as a hangover from days past. ..there are now in excess of 8 million of them. Their owners should be made to take responsibility for the anti social actions of THEIR PETS. just like Dog owners have to.
comparing predation of the native wildlife by cats to that of Foxes / Sparrowhawks etc is IMO indicative of someone who cares little and knows even less about our environment & natural heritage.In America & Australia domestics cats can be controlled. In the UK cats have their Right to roam status as a hangover from days past. ..there are now in excess of 8 million of them. Their owners should be made to take responsibility for the anti social actions of THEIR PETS. just like Dog owners have to. catnip100
  • Score: 11

8:56pm Sun 10 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

Last comment re this... The law of the UK backs cat owners ..fine..why does it not also support those of us who do not want cats in our garden areas.
Last comment re this... The law of the UK backs cat owners ..fine..why does it not also support those of us who do not want cats in our garden areas. catnip100
  • Score: 10

3:11am Mon 11 Aug 14

Cheeseford says...

If cats annoy you that much, why don't you form an effective pressure group and get the law changed in your favour, rather than getting your neighbours' backs up and bleating on newspaper websites.
If cats annoy you that much, why don't you form an effective pressure group and get the law changed in your favour, rather than getting your neighbours' backs up and bleating on newspaper websites. Cheeseford
  • Score: 2

7:50am Mon 11 Aug 14

Alex in Dursley says...

Surely £50 a go for cat deterrents would be cheaper or at least cost the same as video surveillance and mass producing threatening mail? It would certainly cause a lot less distress - but then it wouldn't further Dr Mowforth's campaign or get him the attention he clearly so desperately craves. Again, Dr Mowforth does not live in the deep countryside, he lives in a long standing residential estate opposite a super market; the wildlife will be limited and the cat numbers will be high. There are a number of ways in which the natural environment will be manipulated in order to accommodate humans. Although I agree with preserving wildlife and Green spaces, Dr Mowforth is about 80 years too late in this area. Swallow your hate, your spite and your venom and go enjoy a nice walk. If you feel strongly about this issue then how starting some positive information sharing and see if come to a collaborative arrangement with your neighbours rather than attacking and threatening then, using your education to push your superiority. Cat owners are not evil doers, but in wanting to own a cute cat have possibly not thought about it from your point of view. People take much kinder to having something explained nicely rather than being threatened by a man a with a history of criminal activity.
Surely £50 a go for cat deterrents would be cheaper or at least cost the same as video surveillance and mass producing threatening mail? It would certainly cause a lot less distress - but then it wouldn't further Dr Mowforth's campaign or get him the attention he clearly so desperately craves. Again, Dr Mowforth does not live in the deep countryside, he lives in a long standing residential estate opposite a super market; the wildlife will be limited and the cat numbers will be high. There are a number of ways in which the natural environment will be manipulated in order to accommodate humans. Although I agree with preserving wildlife and Green spaces, Dr Mowforth is about 80 years too late in this area. Swallow your hate, your spite and your venom and go enjoy a nice walk. If you feel strongly about this issue then how starting some positive information sharing and see if come to a collaborative arrangement with your neighbours rather than attacking and threatening then, using your education to push your superiority. Cat owners are not evil doers, but in wanting to own a cute cat have possibly not thought about it from your point of view. People take much kinder to having something explained nicely rather than being threatened by a man a with a history of criminal activity. Alex in Dursley
  • Score: 3

8:37am Mon 11 Aug 14

tawraste says...

I am not surprised at the level of hostility aimed at dr mowforth over this. Cat owners know full well that their pets invade and soil other people's property and simply do not care. This prerogative is hardly likely to result in any kind of helpful response.
What a shame cat owners do not recognize an attempt to help their animals. There are many other ways of dealing with these feral creatures that do not involve contacting the owner in any way.
How lucky they are that dr mowforth is not more committed to effectively protecting his property.
I am not surprised at the level of hostility aimed at dr mowforth over this. Cat owners know full well that their pets invade and soil other people's property and simply do not care. This prerogative is hardly likely to result in any kind of helpful response. What a shame cat owners do not recognize an attempt to help their animals. There are many other ways of dealing with these feral creatures that do not involve contacting the owner in any way. How lucky they are that dr mowforth is not more committed to effectively protecting his property. tawraste
  • Score: 4

10:49am Mon 11 Aug 14

Seftonboy says...

"these feral creatures" are people's pets.... and, yes indeed, luckily for pet owners, there are laws in place to deal with puddle-brained nit-wits like Dr Mowforth who think it's okay to send obliquely threatening letters through people's letterboxes : "Drastic action will be taken"

It's an urban area opposite a supermarket. If Dr Mowforth wants to live in rural bliss and enjoy wild-life , why settle where he knows there are bound to be pet-owning residents?
What next - he'll be finding something else to complain about given his past history. You don't have to be a cat-lover to see this person is a highly-strung, petty-minded moaning individual who has successfully alienated most of his neighbours and maintains a website because of some bad work done on his lawn YEARS ago...
Move imminent to the countryside where the grass is green, perhaps, Dr Mowforth?
"these feral creatures" are people's pets.... and, yes indeed, luckily for pet owners, there are laws in place to deal with puddle-brained nit-wits like Dr Mowforth who think it's okay to send obliquely threatening letters through people's letterboxes : "Drastic action will be taken" It's an urban area opposite a supermarket. If Dr Mowforth wants to live in rural bliss and enjoy wild-life , why settle where he knows there are bound to be pet-owning residents? What next - he'll be finding something else to complain about given his past history. You don't have to be a cat-lover to see this person is a highly-strung, petty-minded moaning individual who has successfully alienated most of his neighbours and maintains a website because of some bad work done on his lawn YEARS ago... Move imminent to the countryside where the grass is green, perhaps, Dr Mowforth? Seftonboy
  • Score: 2

11:46am Mon 11 Aug 14

green12345 says...

Dear oh dear oh dear. Dr Mowforth is a highly educated man with common sense of a small peanut.
Having witnessed his actions on the golf course personally i'm not surprised at this latest outburst. My advice is to ignore him, a sad lonley individual without friends, he's clearly filling his time creating problems.
None of us like cat mess on our lawns, but i like even less bullying individuals who post malicious mail through neighbours doors upsetting children.
Perhaps Mowforth could "strap a pair on", knock on the doors of his neighbours and talk face to face with them and attempt to claim some middle ground.
Dear oh dear oh dear. Dr Mowforth is a highly educated man with common sense of a small peanut. Having witnessed his actions on the golf course personally i'm not surprised at this latest outburst. My advice is to ignore him, a sad lonley individual without friends, he's clearly filling his time creating problems. None of us like cat mess on our lawns, but i like even less bullying individuals who post malicious mail through neighbours doors upsetting children. Perhaps Mowforth could "strap a pair on", knock on the doors of his neighbours and talk face to face with them and attempt to claim some middle ground. green12345
  • Score: 1

12:01pm Mon 11 Aug 14

vodkaanimal says...

I was one of those lucky residents to receive the note from Mr Mowforth. I have to say on reading it my first worry was the drastic action as I am an owner of 4 cats. Cats are wild animals like badgers, foxes etc. we have domesticated them over the years but you cannot take their wild instincts from them. I have bells on all my cats but they will catch vermin etc because it is in their nature. If he puts a low bird table in his garden then they are going to enter it you are making it easy for them. I am glad something has been done about this as he is constantly aggravating people about something or other. Perhaps now he has alienated most of the people that now live around him it may now be time to shut up. I doubt it though and we will probably have another leaflet through our door about something or other is there no law to stop him sending us all mindless bits of paper.
I was one of those lucky residents to receive the note from Mr Mowforth. I have to say on reading it my first worry was the drastic action as I am an owner of 4 cats. Cats are wild animals like badgers, foxes etc. we have domesticated them over the years but you cannot take their wild instincts from them. I have bells on all my cats but they will catch vermin etc because it is in their nature. If he puts a low bird table in his garden then they are going to enter it you are making it easy for them. I am glad something has been done about this as he is constantly aggravating people about something or other. Perhaps now he has alienated most of the people that now live around him it may now be time to shut up. I doubt it though and we will probably have another leaflet through our door about something or other is there no law to stop him sending us all mindless bits of paper. vodkaanimal
  • Score: -1

1:12pm Mon 11 Aug 14

dibdib says...

If Dr. Moforth had left out the words "drastic action" from his letter then this would be have been a different story and may not have recieved the attention it has.
Generally speaking , dog owners are OK about people critisizing dogs, but cat owners are very protective of their cats and take it badly if anyone complains about them. Consequently anyone in authority, be it RSPB or government, are reluctant to comment negatively on cats. Australia and America have some laws on cat ownership and this will eventually have to happen in this country. Back in the 60's if you told a smoker that one day there will be a law preventing smoking in public places they wouldn't have believed you, but laws do change. One day more will be done in the UK to make cat ownership more organised.
If you own an animal whose instincts you can't control and you let it outside, then by letting it outside you are responsible for any damage or nuisence it causes. Cats are beautiful, wonderful creatures. The problem is not the pets (dogs or cats) but the owners and there are both good and bad pet owners.
There are many people who don't want cats in their garden who remain silent and they need to be free to speak up without being lambasted for doing so. Otherwise the issues simmer on and can get heated. The more publicity this receives the better.
My neighbours didn't like the fence I put at the bottom of my hedge as it prevented their cats from accessing " their territory" !!! Like Dr Moforth, I have considered moving house due to the numbers of cats using my garden as a toilet and disrupting wildlife. Cat owners like to keep their blinkers on and be blissfully unaware of what their cats do. They don't like it when their cat has attacked a birds nest and brings in one dead baby bird after another. One of my colleagues said, " On the weekend my cat brought in Mr Red Squirrel and then later on came in with Mrs Red Squirrel, but what can you do? " I kept my mouth shut. It is a thorny issue.
If Dr. Moforth had left out the words "drastic action" from his letter then this would be have been a different story and may not have recieved the attention it has. Generally speaking , dog owners are OK about people critisizing dogs, but cat owners are very protective of their cats and take it badly if anyone complains about them. Consequently anyone in authority, be it RSPB or government, are reluctant to comment negatively on cats. Australia and America have some laws on cat ownership and this will eventually have to happen in this country. Back in the 60's if you told a smoker that one day there will be a law preventing smoking in public places they wouldn't have believed you, but laws do change. One day more will be done in the UK to make cat ownership more organised. If you own an animal whose instincts you can't control and you let it outside, then by letting it outside you are responsible for any damage or nuisence it causes. Cats are beautiful, wonderful creatures. The problem is not the pets (dogs or cats) but the owners and there are both good and bad pet owners. There are many people who don't want cats in their garden who remain silent and they need to be free to speak up without being lambasted for doing so. Otherwise the issues simmer on and can get heated. The more publicity this receives the better. My neighbours didn't like the fence I put at the bottom of my hedge as it prevented their cats from accessing " their territory" !!! Like Dr Moforth, I have considered moving house due to the numbers of cats using my garden as a toilet and disrupting wildlife. Cat owners like to keep their blinkers on and be blissfully unaware of what their cats do. They don't like it when their cat has attacked a birds nest and brings in one dead baby bird after another. One of my colleagues said, " On the weekend my cat brought in Mr Red Squirrel and then later on came in with Mrs Red Squirrel, but what can you do? " I kept my mouth shut. It is a thorny issue. dibdib
  • Score: 12

1:59pm Mon 11 Aug 14

tawraste says...

I'd like to point out that approximately half the cats that use my garden as a toilet are strays.
Basically, another side effect of irresponsible cat ownership.
Having contacted the pdsa I was informed that the economy has resulted in so many abandoned cats that they do not want (and do not have room for) the strays handed in; and that my best option would be to adopt them.
I hope the law will change. Lots of us would benefit from animal control collecting these pests and putting them down owing to lazy selfish owners not getting motivated to collect them in time. Then you can all start moaning about how you weren't given enough time or a decent chance to save fluffy and how not even now is it possibly your fault (again).
I'd like to point out that approximately half the cats that use my garden as a toilet are strays. Basically, another side effect of irresponsible cat ownership. Having contacted the pdsa I was informed that the economy has resulted in so many abandoned cats that they do not want (and do not have room for) the strays handed in; and that my best option would be to adopt them. I hope the law will change. Lots of us would benefit from animal control collecting these pests and putting them down owing to lazy selfish owners not getting motivated to collect them in time. Then you can all start moaning about how you weren't given enough time or a decent chance to save fluffy and how not even now is it possibly your fault (again). tawraste
  • Score: 10

2:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

tawraste says...

Given some thinking time, I can see now that there is error in my opinion regarding this matter.

Obviously, I should acknowledge that animals should be free to exercise their natural impulses. A cat cannot help stalking and killing a small bird; it's just them honing their natural skills.
It's also natural for them to use the great outdoors as a toilet. They cannot be expected to respect human boundaries.

So how's this as a proposed compromise?

It's natural for my dog to poop in the great outdoors, so I should let him poop all over my neighbours lawns who have cats - does anyone know if private land is covered by the fouling of land act?

It's also completely natural for my dog to wander around without a lead on and totally natural for him to chase and viciously attack cats; quite literally almost frightening them to death in the process.
Surely given the natural status of this proposal, there'll be no objections from you cat owners? We could be brought together and settle our differences by jointly signing the same petition to make this law.
How about it friends?
Given some thinking time, I can see now that there is error in my opinion regarding this matter. Obviously, I should acknowledge that animals should be free to exercise their natural impulses. A cat cannot help stalking and killing a small bird; it's just them honing their natural skills. It's also natural for them to use the great outdoors as a toilet. They cannot be expected to respect human boundaries. So how's this as a proposed compromise? It's natural for my dog to poop in the great outdoors, so I should let him poop all over my neighbours lawns who have cats - does anyone know if private land is covered by the fouling of land act? It's also completely natural for my dog to wander around without a lead on and totally natural for him to chase and viciously attack cats; quite literally almost frightening them to death in the process. Surely given the natural status of this proposal, there'll be no objections from you cat owners? We could be brought together and settle our differences by jointly signing the same petition to make this law. How about it friends? tawraste
  • Score: 10

3:27pm Mon 11 Aug 14

green12345 says...

Rather than the couple of individuals on here whinging, moaining, complaining about their neighbours and lack of control over their cats, why don't you go and talk to your neighbours. It's easy sit sit behind your keyboard anonymously typing away becoming ever more bitter about a situation you could help.
I don't have cats, and i don't like it when they mess on my garden. However, once i'd brought it up with a couple of my neighbours they were only too happy to come and clean up every so often. They will regularly pop onto my front lawn and and remove any mess.
Not only does this keep my property clean, it also ensures harmony in the street and we all get on very well.
Stop typing and go and talk to them. I'm sure you'll find most people very willing to help you out!
Rather than the couple of individuals on here whinging, moaining, complaining about their neighbours and lack of control over their cats, why don't you go and talk to your neighbours. It's easy sit sit behind your keyboard anonymously typing away becoming ever more bitter about a situation you could help. I don't have cats, and i don't like it when they mess on my garden. However, once i'd brought it up with a couple of my neighbours they were only too happy to come and clean up every so often. They will regularly pop onto my front lawn and and remove any mess. Not only does this keep my property clean, it also ensures harmony in the street and we all get on very well. Stop typing and go and talk to them. I'm sure you'll find most people very willing to help you out! green12345
  • Score: 3

3:36pm Mon 11 Aug 14

tawraste says...

what should we do about the stray ones?
what should we do about the stray ones? tawraste
  • Score: 5

6:35pm Mon 11 Aug 14

kjag23 says...

I must say I did not expect such feline directed hate!
I'm not a great cat lover, but I've never had an issue with them.
They are only really aggressive when they are un-neutered males, and these are usually strays.
I've never had lots of cat poop in my garden, they prefer to poop in concealed places, not in the middle of your lawn.
Indeed foxes and badgers poop on lawns, as do birds.
Cat owners can easily reduce the killing-capacity of their moggies by putting special bells or bibs on the collars. And bird-lovers can protect their land with low-budget cat-deterrents like putting the bird table higher up or attaching nets underneath.
Cats retain most of their primal instincts, to keep them locked indoors is near animal abuse.
There's right and wrong on both sides, this chap should have had a friendly chat with his neighbours regarding this, not sent out threatening letters.
Cat owners should spay and neuter their pets to curb the overpopulation crisis and put bells on their collars.

Mr Mowforth obviously has far too much time on his hands, perhaps he should volunteer for a cat shelter or do something useful with his spare time.
I must say I did not expect such feline directed hate! I'm not a great cat lover, but I've never had an issue with them. They are only really aggressive when they are un-neutered males, and these are usually strays. I've never had lots of cat poop in my garden, they prefer to poop in concealed places, not in the middle of your lawn. Indeed foxes and badgers poop on lawns, as do birds. Cat owners can easily reduce the killing-capacity of their moggies by putting special bells or bibs on the collars. And bird-lovers can protect their land with low-budget cat-deterrents like putting the bird table higher up or attaching nets underneath. Cats retain most of their primal instincts, to keep them locked indoors is near animal abuse. There's right and wrong on both sides, this chap should have had a friendly chat with his neighbours regarding this, not sent out threatening letters. Cat owners should spay and neuter their pets to curb the overpopulation crisis and put bells on their collars. Mr Mowforth obviously has far too much time on his hands, perhaps he should volunteer for a cat shelter or do something useful with his spare time. kjag23
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

SimonClose says...

Could someone explain exactly how cat owners would be able to prevent their cats entering neighbours' gardens?

Not allowing the cat outside? - some cats are Ok with this but the vast majority aren't and keeping them indoors would probably be classified as cruelty by the authorities.

Maybe they should completely cage their gardens/houses with wire but the likes of Dr Mowforth would no doubt complain about this and I'm not sure I'd like a view of a big cage or 10 foot fence from my house?

I'm not a cat owner and had a problem recently with cats using a newly created vegetable patch as a toilet. Rather than sending threatening letters to all my street, I simply bought some cheap netting and covered it up. Problem solved. I have used an electronic scarer before at a property that had not been lived in for a long time.

I'm rather more concerned about my Mum's next door neighbours' cat which was killed by an off lead terrier while Mum was cat sitting it. See letter in last weeks SN&J
Could someone explain exactly how cat owners would be able to prevent their cats entering neighbours' gardens? Not allowing the cat outside? - some cats are Ok with this but the vast majority aren't and keeping them indoors would probably be classified as cruelty by the authorities. Maybe they should completely cage their gardens/houses with wire but the likes of Dr Mowforth would no doubt complain about this and I'm not sure I'd like a view of a big cage or 10 foot fence from my house? I'm not a cat owner and had a problem recently with cats using a newly created vegetable patch as a toilet. Rather than sending threatening letters to all my street, I simply bought some cheap netting and covered it up. Problem solved. I have used an electronic scarer before at a property that had not been lived in for a long time. I'm rather more concerned about my Mum's next door neighbours' cat which was killed by an off lead terrier while Mum was cat sitting it. See letter in last weeks SN&J SimonClose
  • Score: -4

8:23pm Mon 11 Aug 14

tawraste says...

As far as preventing your cat getting on other people's property - well, that's your problem; born from your decision to have one.
If my dog gets loose and starts wandering around it'll cost me 70 bucks to get him back from the pound. If he gets loose on farmer's land that's got livestock on it the farmer will likely shoot him.
It's simply not on to hold up your hands, shrug and announce there's nothing you can do, he's a cat and he likes to roam free. Imagine if people took that attitude with tigers?
As far as preventing your cat getting on other people's property - well, that's your problem; born from your decision to have one. If my dog gets loose and starts wandering around it'll cost me 70 bucks to get him back from the pound. If he gets loose on farmer's land that's got livestock on it the farmer will likely shoot him. It's simply not on to hold up your hands, shrug and announce there's nothing you can do, he's a cat and he likes to roam free. Imagine if people took that attitude with tigers? tawraste
  • Score: 7

1:33am Tue 12 Aug 14

turbobuddah says...

It did make me laugh when I read the complaint about the cats crapping in the garden yet his drastic measure was spreading the dung of a larger predatory animal. The birds are wild, you wouldn't complain if foxes, or badgers were breaking in and hunting where you have so conveniently creating a feeding ground. You're a research scientist, how about you research the nature of the animal you're complaining about you might know what you're talking about then I have had numorous cats and none have brought home dead animals. As for responsibilty, pretty sure dogs aren't penalised for bringing in wild creatures, if they were i'd be shafted with the amount of spiders mine takes out.
It did make me laugh when I read the complaint about the cats crapping in the garden yet his drastic measure was spreading the dung of a larger predatory animal. The birds are wild, you wouldn't complain if foxes, or badgers were breaking in and hunting where you have so conveniently creating a feeding ground. You're a research scientist, how about you research the nature of the animal you're complaining about you might know what you're talking about then I have had numorous cats and none have brought home dead animals. As for responsibilty, pretty sure dogs aren't penalised for bringing in wild creatures, if they were i'd be shafted with the amount of spiders mine takes out. turbobuddah
  • Score: -2

7:43am Tue 12 Aug 14

Seftonboy says...

tawraste wrote:
As far as preventing your cat getting on other people's property - well, that's your problem; born from your decision to have one.
If my dog gets loose and starts wandering around it'll cost me 70 bucks to get him back from the pound. If he gets loose on farmer's land that's got livestock on it the farmer will likely shoot him.
It's simply not on to hold up your hands, shrug and announce there's nothing you can do, he's a cat and he likes to roam free. Imagine if people took that attitude with tigers?
I think every one is entitled to their point of view and coming on here trolling with skewed logic is achieving nothing ( counterbalance argument: Tigers roaming free? - oh, please, how old are you?!!!!). Just because you don't agree with people and have a different opinion doesn't make you right!
While people are moaning with their petty gripes about their gardens being dug up, there are people in this country living below the poverty-line and visiting food banks to feed their family. That educated twerp moaning about his right to feeding birds in his garden ought to be jolly glad he's GOT a garden ( and time on his hands), and be thankful he's not living in run-down rented accommodation suffering at the hands of a government that couldn't care less.
[quote][p][bold]tawraste[/bold] wrote: As far as preventing your cat getting on other people's property - well, that's your problem; born from your decision to have one. If my dog gets loose and starts wandering around it'll cost me 70 bucks to get him back from the pound. If he gets loose on farmer's land that's got livestock on it the farmer will likely shoot him. It's simply not on to hold up your hands, shrug and announce there's nothing you can do, he's a cat and he likes to roam free. Imagine if people took that attitude with tigers?[/p][/quote]I think every one is entitled to their point of view and coming on here trolling with skewed logic is achieving nothing ( counterbalance argument: Tigers roaming free? - oh, please, how old are you?!!!!). Just because you don't agree with people and have a different opinion doesn't make you right! While people are moaning with their petty gripes about their gardens being dug up, there are people in this country living below the poverty-line and visiting food banks to feed their family. That educated twerp moaning about his right to feeding birds in his garden ought to be jolly glad he's GOT a garden ( and time on his hands), and be thankful he's not living in run-down rented accommodation suffering at the hands of a government that couldn't care less. Seftonboy
  • Score: -5

8:25am Tue 12 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

I don't expect cat owners to understand how those of us who love the wildlife feel about predation by their "pets" My only advice re this problem is to buy a Supersoaker water pistol and / or a cheap RED laser pen Both can be used to distract cats. ..the laser pen is quite effective if used "correctly" :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk
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nment-21236690
I don't expect cat owners to understand how those of us who love the wildlife feel about predation by their "pets" My only advice re this problem is to buy a Supersoaker water pistol and / or a cheap RED laser pen Both can be used to distract cats. ..the laser pen is quite effective if used "correctly" :) http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/science-enviro nment-21236690 catnip100
  • Score: 9

10:08am Tue 12 Aug 14

tawraste says...

Cat argument counter balance - poverty.
Skewed logic?
Yeah ok.
Lol
Cat argument counter balance - poverty. Skewed logic? Yeah ok. Lol tawraste
  • Score: 1

11:11am Tue 12 Aug 14

corin22 says...

I find a catapult or hose pipe work well to deter cats, have not had any in my garden for months, they soon learn, if I wanted to have cats on my property I would have got my own, If you want a cat, keep it on your property and if they like to wander dont have one. why should my garden be a waste ground for them, they are only training, by you--or me
I find a catapult or hose pipe work well to deter cats, have not had any in my garden for months, they soon learn, if I wanted to have cats on my property I would have got my own, If you want a cat, keep it on your property and if they like to wander dont have one. why should my garden be a waste ground for them, they are only training, by you--or me corin22
  • Score: 9

11:25am Tue 12 Aug 14

MeeeeeClare says...

I am not surprised that he has received threats in response to his equally threatening letter. It was very bad judgement on his part to send it and to write it in the way that he did. If his idea of "drastic action" really was just netting and lion dung then he could have kept it to himself. He was clearly trying to scare his neighbors and i suspect has now made an enemy of many of them as well as many others in the community.
He has no right to decide what other animals can do. Cats have just as much right to enter a garden as the birds do, the same does for any of the woodland animals that might go there.
To suggest that cats are the menace is ridiculous. If he can claim that the birds never leave excrement in his garden then i will be very impressed!
He is causing himself and other people so much unnecessary stress. If the cats bothered him so much he should never have had a house close to so many other people. There are far more important things in life to be worried about.
I am not surprised that he has received threats in response to his equally threatening letter. It was very bad judgement on his part to send it and to write it in the way that he did. If his idea of "drastic action" really was just netting and lion dung then he could have kept it to himself. He was clearly trying to scare his neighbors and i suspect has now made an enemy of many of them as well as many others in the community. He has no right to decide what other animals can do. Cats have just as much right to enter a garden as the birds do, the same does for any of the woodland animals that might go there. To suggest that cats are the menace is ridiculous. If he can claim that the birds never leave excrement in his garden then i will be very impressed! He is causing himself and other people so much unnecessary stress. If the cats bothered him so much he should never have had a house close to so many other people. There are far more important things in life to be worried about. MeeeeeClare
  • Score: -4

11:41am Tue 12 Aug 14

Seftonboy says...

tawraste wrote:
Cat argument counter balance - poverty.
Skewed logic?
Yeah ok.
Lol
Fact vs speculation
Skewed logic?
Yeah ok.
Lol
[quote][p][bold]tawraste[/bold] wrote: Cat argument counter balance - poverty. Skewed logic? Yeah ok. Lol[/p][/quote]Fact vs speculation Skewed logic? Yeah ok. Lol Seftonboy
  • Score: -2

11:43am Tue 12 Aug 14

MeeeeeClare says...

There does seem to be a lot of people saying that cat owners should be more responsible. I would like to invite these people to suggest how they would like cat-owners to control their pets? Keeping them shut in the house is not a realistic option. It is unfair and unhealthy for the cat and also means that you could not ever leave a door or window open in your house which is ridiculous.
Rather than just complaining that cat owners need to do something then lets hear some suggestions please.
There does seem to be a lot of people saying that cat owners should be more responsible. I would like to invite these people to suggest how they would like cat-owners to control their pets? Keeping them shut in the house is not a realistic option. It is unfair and unhealthy for the cat and also means that you could not ever leave a door or window open in your house which is ridiculous. Rather than just complaining that cat owners need to do something then lets hear some suggestions please. MeeeeeClare
  • Score: -3

11:47am Tue 12 Aug 14

tawraste says...

I would rather that cats be shut indoors than spreading faeces, fleas and toxoplasmosis all over my lawn.
Poor cats.
I would rather that cats be shut indoors than spreading faeces, fleas and toxoplasmosis all over my lawn. Poor cats. tawraste
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Tue 12 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

Cats are not native to England , they were used by the Romans as a form of pest control. Our BRITISH native species have not yet evolved to deal with them..so cats DONT have the same rights as Sparrows etc . I accept it is difficult to control the movements of your cat...but at least give the BRITISH wildlife a chance and equip your cat with a bell...and don't throw the cat **** back into the neighbors yard ..especially if they have small children..its dangerous .
Cats are not native to England , they were used by the Romans as a form of pest control. Our BRITISH native species have not yet evolved to deal with them..so cats DONT have the same rights as Sparrows etc . I accept it is difficult to control the movements of your cat...but at least give the BRITISH wildlife a chance and equip your cat with a bell...and don't throw the cat **** back into the neighbors yard ..especially if they have small children..its dangerous . catnip100
  • Score: 4

9:53am Wed 13 Aug 14

IknowIamright says...

Oh, my doc you a very annoying look of 'I am a boring old gardener and caretaker of birds' You are unwittingly contributing to the demise of the birds sorry I mean 'your' birds, as you bird loving types think the birds belong to you don't youI blame the RSPB and programmes like Countryfile and that bloody annoying Chris Packham banging on about cats killing birds who should know better than to try and interfere with the balance of nature. When it suits he doesn't get involved. And there was a time when we used to only help the birds in winter by putting out bread and bacon rind now it's got ridiculous, fat cakes nuts seeds meal worms you name it It cannot be good for the birds to be fed like this all year round But it is now big business and the only winners here are the Garden Centres! Maybe Chris Packham is on commission! And it's also worth remembering that cats keep down the rodent population. If it wasn't for cats we would be overrun with them Give cats some credit.
Oh, my doc you a very annoying look of 'I am a boring old gardener and caretaker of birds' You are unwittingly contributing to the demise of the birds sorry I mean 'your' birds, as you bird loving types think the birds belong to you don't youI blame the RSPB and programmes like Countryfile and that bloody annoying Chris Packham banging on about cats killing birds who should know better than to try and interfere with the balance of nature. When it suits he doesn't get involved. And there was a time when we used to only help the birds in winter by putting out bread and bacon rind now it's got ridiculous, fat cakes nuts seeds meal worms you name it It cannot be good for the birds to be fed like this all year round But it is now big business and the only winners here are the Garden Centres! Maybe Chris Packham is on commission! And it's also worth remembering that cats keep down the rodent population. If it wasn't for cats we would be overrun with them Give cats some credit. IknowIamright
  • Score: -3

10:07am Wed 13 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

IknowIamright wrote:
Oh, my doc you a very annoying look of 'I am a boring old gardener and caretaker of birds' You are unwittingly contributing to the demise of the birds sorry I mean 'your' birds, as you bird loving types think the birds belong to you don't youI blame the RSPB and programmes like Countryfile and that bloody annoying Chris Packham banging on about cats killing birds who should know better than to try and interfere with the balance of nature. When it suits he doesn't get involved. And there was a time when we used to only help the birds in winter by putting out bread and bacon rind now it's got ridiculous, fat cakes nuts seeds meal worms you name it It cannot be good for the birds to be fed like this all year round But it is now big business and the only winners here are the Garden Centres! Maybe Chris Packham is on commission! And it's also worth remembering that cats keep down the rodent population. If it wasn't for cats we would be overrun with them Give cats some credit.
the balance of nature ..thats the point exactly Cats are not within that UK balance of nature.. they are "introduced" to use a polite word & by that other destructive shortsighted idiot species "homo sapiens" ...yes the sooner we go extinct probably the better the entire planet will be We dont live in harmony with the earth ...we just exploit it.
[quote][p][bold]IknowIamright[/bold] wrote: Oh, my doc you a very annoying look of 'I am a boring old gardener and caretaker of birds' You are unwittingly contributing to the demise of the birds sorry I mean 'your' birds, as you bird loving types think the birds belong to you don't youI blame the RSPB and programmes like Countryfile and that bloody annoying Chris Packham banging on about cats killing birds who should know better than to try and interfere with the balance of nature. When it suits he doesn't get involved. And there was a time when we used to only help the birds in winter by putting out bread and bacon rind now it's got ridiculous, fat cakes nuts seeds meal worms you name it It cannot be good for the birds to be fed like this all year round But it is now big business and the only winners here are the Garden Centres! Maybe Chris Packham is on commission! And it's also worth remembering that cats keep down the rodent population. If it wasn't for cats we would be overrun with them Give cats some credit.[/p][/quote]the balance of nature ..thats the point exactly Cats are not within that UK balance of nature.. they are "introduced" to use a polite word & by that other destructive shortsighted idiot species "homo sapiens" ...yes the sooner we go extinct probably the better the entire planet will be We dont live in harmony with the earth ...we just exploit it. catnip100
  • Score: 5

11:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

IknowIamright says...

OMG - 'cats were introduced' - yes thousands of years ago! I think they earn the right to be within the UK balance of nature now! And all these people who say that cats should be registered and kept under control like dogs should bear in mind that would mean that when a cat is knocked down it would have to be reported like dogs. I don't think the cat haters of this world would bother to report it. You can't have it both ways. Cats are generally semi-domesticated, some more than others - some can become house cats and never go out, some are feral and some are somewhere in between but make no mistake are very much loved pets. It grieves me that some people see them as vermin just because they are free to wander, just as we are. We wouldn't see a child out on his or her own on the St and presume he or she to be homeless and therefore worthless. Cats, like children are let out and are worried about until they get home safely. They sometimes pay the ultimate price for their freedom and independence. Some dog owners if it were allowed would be quite happy to let their dogs out too, but then they would have the worry that we cat owners have until they reappear safely again! We all have to be tolerable of our neighbours for all sort's of reasons and we all have to be tolerable of the animals who share the planet with us - whether it be the barking dog next door or the cat from a few doors down who uses our garden for a toilet ( as do foxes, birds and other wild life ) and in all areas of life we have to be tolerant - drivers, mobile phone users, mothers who let their kids scream and run around in supermarkets, elderly folk who hold us up, Lordy, there is no end to life's frustrations. None of us are perfect, humans and animals alike but we have to get on with it. Live and let live.
OMG - 'cats were introduced' - yes thousands of years ago! I think they earn the right to be within the UK balance of nature now! And all these people who say that cats should be registered and kept under control like dogs should bear in mind that would mean that when a cat is knocked down it would have to be reported like dogs. I don't think the cat haters of this world would bother to report it. You can't have it both ways. Cats are generally semi-domesticated, some more than others - some can become house cats and never go out, some are feral and some are somewhere in between but make no mistake are very much loved pets. It grieves me that some people see them as vermin just because they are free to wander, just as we are. We wouldn't see a child out on his or her own on the St and presume he or she to be homeless and therefore worthless. Cats, like children are let out and are worried about until they get home safely. They sometimes pay the ultimate price for their freedom and independence. Some dog owners if it were allowed would be quite happy to let their dogs out too, but then they would have the worry that we cat owners have until they reappear safely again! We all have to be tolerable of our neighbours for all sort's of reasons and we all have to be tolerable of the animals who share the planet with us - whether it be the barking dog next door or the cat from a few doors down who uses our garden for a toilet ( as do foxes, birds and other wild life ) and in all areas of life we have to be tolerant - drivers, mobile phone users, mothers who let their kids scream and run around in supermarkets, elderly folk who hold us up, Lordy, there is no end to life's frustrations. None of us are perfect, humans and animals alike but we have to get on with it. Live and let live. IknowIamright
  • Score: -2

3:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

IknowIamright wrote:
OMG - 'cats were introduced' - yes thousands of years ago! I think they earn the right to be within the UK balance of nature now! And all these people who say that cats should be registered and kept under control like dogs should bear in mind that would mean that when a cat is knocked down it would have to be reported like dogs. I don't think the cat haters of this world would bother to report it. You can't have it both ways. Cats are generally semi-domesticated, some more than others - some can become house cats and never go out, some are feral and some are somewhere in between but make no mistake are very much loved pets. It grieves me that some people see them as vermin just because they are free to wander, just as we are. We wouldn't see a child out on his or her own on the St and presume he or she to be homeless and therefore worthless. Cats, like children are let out and are worried about until they get home safely. They sometimes pay the ultimate price for their freedom and independence. Some dog owners if it were allowed would be quite happy to let their dogs out too, but then they would have the worry that we cat owners have until they reappear safely again! We all have to be tolerable of our neighbours for all sort's of reasons and we all have to be tolerable of the animals who share the planet with us - whether it be the barking dog next door or the cat from a few doors down who uses our garden for a toilet ( as do foxes, birds and other wild life ) and in all areas of life we have to be tolerant - drivers, mobile phone users, mothers who let their kids scream and run around in supermarkets, elderly folk who hold us up, Lordy, there is no end to life's frustrations. None of us are perfect, humans and animals alike but we have to get on with it. Live and let live.
your refusal to accept that this issue is a "problem" for many people & your laissez-faire terminology achieves nothing .. the problem remains & unfortunately some people will adopt totally unacceptable measure to deal with it In no way do I support this..but you cannot just back people into a corner The laws re domestic cats need to be looked at again.
http://www.mammal.or
g.uk/sites/default/f
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20Predation%20on%20W
ildlife.pdf
[quote][p][bold]IknowIamright[/bold] wrote: OMG - 'cats were introduced' - yes thousands of years ago! I think they earn the right to be within the UK balance of nature now! And all these people who say that cats should be registered and kept under control like dogs should bear in mind that would mean that when a cat is knocked down it would have to be reported like dogs. I don't think the cat haters of this world would bother to report it. You can't have it both ways. Cats are generally semi-domesticated, some more than others - some can become house cats and never go out, some are feral and some are somewhere in between but make no mistake are very much loved pets. It grieves me that some people see them as vermin just because they are free to wander, just as we are. We wouldn't see a child out on his or her own on the St and presume he or she to be homeless and therefore worthless. Cats, like children are let out and are worried about until they get home safely. They sometimes pay the ultimate price for their freedom and independence. Some dog owners if it were allowed would be quite happy to let their dogs out too, but then they would have the worry that we cat owners have until they reappear safely again! We all have to be tolerable of our neighbours for all sort's of reasons and we all have to be tolerable of the animals who share the planet with us - whether it be the barking dog next door or the cat from a few doors down who uses our garden for a toilet ( as do foxes, birds and other wild life ) and in all areas of life we have to be tolerant - drivers, mobile phone users, mothers who let their kids scream and run around in supermarkets, elderly folk who hold us up, Lordy, there is no end to life's frustrations. None of us are perfect, humans and animals alike but we have to get on with it. Live and let live.[/p][/quote]your refusal to accept that this issue is a "problem" for many people & your laissez-faire terminology achieves nothing .. the problem remains & unfortunately some people will adopt totally unacceptable measure to deal with it In no way do I support this..but you cannot just back people into a corner The laws re domestic cats need to be looked at again. http://www.mammal.or g.uk/sites/default/f iles/Domestic%20Cat% 20Predation%20on%20W ildlife.pdf catnip100
  • Score: 2

7:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

tawraste says...

Well it would appear that the contemptuous nature of cats is a symbiotic disease. All we can hope for now is the release of GM cats that can only produce sterile offspring.
Well it would appear that the contemptuous nature of cats is a symbiotic disease. All we can hope for now is the release of GM cats that can only produce sterile offspring. tawraste
  • Score: 1

8:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

IknowIamright says...

I am afraid it is us humans who have the contemptutous nature - especially the ant-cat types. Animals are fine - cats are fine - like all humans and all animals they have a side that most people don't see - but they are much maligned. They don't deserve such hatred - how petty and pathetic that we so called intelligent human beings can be so cruel and threatening to our dumb animals who cannot defend or speak up for themselves. It is us humans who have destroyed the planet and upset the balance of nature, Not cats. If you feel such hatred for a dumb animal who unwittingly happens upon your garden then you need to get a life. And I can't believe that the short assed Doc ( and anyone else with half a brain cell ) can't just get on a ladder to put out food high enough that a cat can't get to it. And he doesn't report about all the birds that got away. For every one they catch there must be dozens that get away. Blimey if all the birds survived the Doc and his bird feeding cronies wouldn't be able to afford to feed them all. Would they like to find themselves in an Alfred Hitchcock's bird situation - no they wouldn't - they just want to be able to feed a handful of the lovely little songbirds. They wouldn't want a garden full of thieving magpies or aggressive crows. But that's humans all over isn't it - we want it all out own way don't we. Always have and always will - unless oc course we too can GM
modified too like cats and dogs and birds and foxes and deer and rodents and insects......and....
......
I am afraid it is us humans who have the contemptutous nature - especially the ant-cat types. Animals are fine - cats are fine - like all humans and all animals they have a side that most people don't see - but they are much maligned. They don't deserve such hatred - how petty and pathetic that we so called intelligent human beings can be so cruel and threatening to our dumb animals who cannot defend or speak up for themselves. It is us humans who have destroyed the planet and upset the balance of nature, Not cats. If you feel such hatred for a dumb animal who unwittingly happens upon your garden then you need to get a life. And I can't believe that the short assed Doc ( and anyone else with half a brain cell ) can't just get on a ladder to put out food high enough that a cat can't get to it. And he doesn't report about all the birds that got away. For every one they catch there must be dozens that get away. Blimey if all the birds survived the Doc and his bird feeding cronies wouldn't be able to afford to feed them all. Would they like to find themselves in an Alfred Hitchcock's bird situation - no they wouldn't - they just want to be able to feed a handful of the lovely little songbirds. They wouldn't want a garden full of thieving magpies or aggressive crows. But that's humans all over isn't it - we want it all out own way don't we. Always have and always will - unless oc course we too can GM modified too like cats and dogs and birds and foxes and deer and rodents and insects......and.... ...... IknowIamright
  • Score: -2

9:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

IknowIamright wrote:
I am afraid it is us humans who have the contemptutous nature - especially the ant-cat types. Animals are fine - cats are fine - like all humans and all animals they have a side that most people don't see - but they are much maligned. They don't deserve such hatred - how petty and pathetic that we so called intelligent human beings can be so cruel and threatening to our dumb animals who cannot defend or speak up for themselves. It is us humans who have destroyed the planet and upset the balance of nature, Not cats. If you feel such hatred for a dumb animal who unwittingly happens upon your garden then you need to get a life. And I can't believe that the short assed Doc ( and anyone else with half a brain cell ) can't just get on a ladder to put out food high enough that a cat can't get to it. And he doesn't report about all the birds that got away. For every one they catch there must be dozens that get away. Blimey if all the birds survived the Doc and his bird feeding cronies wouldn't be able to afford to feed them all. Would they like to find themselves in an Alfred Hitchcock's bird situation - no they wouldn't - they just want to be able to feed a handful of the lovely little songbirds. They wouldn't want a garden full of thieving magpies or aggressive crows. But that's humans all over isn't it - we want it all out own way don't we. Always have and always will - unless oc course we too can GM
modified too like cats and dogs and birds and foxes and deer and rodents and insects......and....

......
No.. Im not anti cats ..I just want the law changed so I can ask you to keep your cat OUT of MY Garden area..for all the reasons previously stated.
I believe that if owners actually had to take responsibility for their cats ..they would probably get rid of them ? Unless feral they mostly don't even eat what they kill, which is why I don't buy the doing "what comes naturally" angle ..As for GM modified cats ..hadn't thought of that one ..definite possibilities ..meanwhile I'll stick with my Supersoaker/ Laser :)
[quote][p][bold]IknowIamright[/bold] wrote: I am afraid it is us humans who have the contemptutous nature - especially the ant-cat types. Animals are fine - cats are fine - like all humans and all animals they have a side that most people don't see - but they are much maligned. They don't deserve such hatred - how petty and pathetic that we so called intelligent human beings can be so cruel and threatening to our dumb animals who cannot defend or speak up for themselves. It is us humans who have destroyed the planet and upset the balance of nature, Not cats. If you feel such hatred for a dumb animal who unwittingly happens upon your garden then you need to get a life. And I can't believe that the short assed Doc ( and anyone else with half a brain cell ) can't just get on a ladder to put out food high enough that a cat can't get to it. And he doesn't report about all the birds that got away. For every one they catch there must be dozens that get away. Blimey if all the birds survived the Doc and his bird feeding cronies wouldn't be able to afford to feed them all. Would they like to find themselves in an Alfred Hitchcock's bird situation - no they wouldn't - they just want to be able to feed a handful of the lovely little songbirds. They wouldn't want a garden full of thieving magpies or aggressive crows. But that's humans all over isn't it - we want it all out own way don't we. Always have and always will - unless oc course we too can GM modified too like cats and dogs and birds and foxes and deer and rodents and insects......and.... ......[/p][/quote]No.. Im not anti cats ..I just want the law changed so I can ask you to keep your cat OUT of MY Garden area..for all the reasons previously stated. I believe that if owners actually had to take responsibility for their cats ..they would probably get rid of them ? Unless feral they mostly don't even eat what they kill, which is why I don't buy the doing "what comes naturally" angle ..As for GM modified cats ..hadn't thought of that one ..definite possibilities ..meanwhile I'll stick with my Supersoaker/ Laser :) catnip100
  • Score: 3

11:07pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Seftonboy says...

catnip100 wrote:
IknowIamright wrote:
I am afraid it is us humans who have the contemptutous nature - especially the ant-cat types. Animals are fine - cats are fine - like all humans and all animals they have a side that most people don't see - but they are much maligned. They don't deserve such hatred - how petty and pathetic that we so called intelligent human beings can be so cruel and threatening to our dumb animals who cannot defend or speak up for themselves. It is us humans who have destroyed the planet and upset the balance of nature, Not cats. If you feel such hatred for a dumb animal who unwittingly happens upon your garden then you need to get a life. And I can't believe that the short assed Doc ( and anyone else with half a brain cell ) can't just get on a ladder to put out food high enough that a cat can't get to it. And he doesn't report about all the birds that got away. For every one they catch there must be dozens that get away. Blimey if all the birds survived the Doc and his bird feeding cronies wouldn't be able to afford to feed them all. Would they like to find themselves in an Alfred Hitchcock's bird situation - no they wouldn't - they just want to be able to feed a handful of the lovely little songbirds. They wouldn't want a garden full of thieving magpies or aggressive crows. But that's humans all over isn't it - we want it all out own way don't we. Always have and always will - unless oc course we too can GM
modified too like cats and dogs and birds and foxes and deer and rodents and insects......and....


......
No.. Im not anti cats ..I just want the law changed so I can ask you to keep your cat OUT of MY Garden area..for all the reasons previously stated.
I believe that if owners actually had to take responsibility for their cats ..they would probably get rid of them ? Unless feral they mostly don't even eat what they kill, which is why I don't buy the doing "what comes naturally" angle ..As for GM modified cats ..hadn't thought of that one ..definite possibilities ..meanwhile I'll stick with my Supersoaker/ Laser :)
See that all the reasonably educated and articulate ones left ages ago and now we're notified of the extremist fringe nutters who pick up the slack. Get a LIFE FFS - it's a CAT!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]catnip100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IknowIamright[/bold] wrote: I am afraid it is us humans who have the contemptutous nature - especially the ant-cat types. Animals are fine - cats are fine - like all humans and all animals they have a side that most people don't see - but they are much maligned. They don't deserve such hatred - how petty and pathetic that we so called intelligent human beings can be so cruel and threatening to our dumb animals who cannot defend or speak up for themselves. It is us humans who have destroyed the planet and upset the balance of nature, Not cats. If you feel such hatred for a dumb animal who unwittingly happens upon your garden then you need to get a life. And I can't believe that the short assed Doc ( and anyone else with half a brain cell ) can't just get on a ladder to put out food high enough that a cat can't get to it. And he doesn't report about all the birds that got away. For every one they catch there must be dozens that get away. Blimey if all the birds survived the Doc and his bird feeding cronies wouldn't be able to afford to feed them all. Would they like to find themselves in an Alfred Hitchcock's bird situation - no they wouldn't - they just want to be able to feed a handful of the lovely little songbirds. They wouldn't want a garden full of thieving magpies or aggressive crows. But that's humans all over isn't it - we want it all out own way don't we. Always have and always will - unless oc course we too can GM modified too like cats and dogs and birds and foxes and deer and rodents and insects......and.... ......[/p][/quote]No.. Im not anti cats ..I just want the law changed so I can ask you to keep your cat OUT of MY Garden area..for all the reasons previously stated. I believe that if owners actually had to take responsibility for their cats ..they would probably get rid of them ? Unless feral they mostly don't even eat what they kill, which is why I don't buy the doing "what comes naturally" angle ..As for GM modified cats ..hadn't thought of that one ..definite possibilities ..meanwhile I'll stick with my Supersoaker/ Laser :)[/p][/quote]See that all the reasonably educated and articulate ones left ages ago and now we're notified of the extremist fringe nutters who pick up the slack. Get a LIFE FFS - it's a CAT!!!!!! Seftonboy
  • Score: 2

11:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Seftonboy says...

Meantime... I'm pretty bored of this article ( three days old)...and think it's high time I bade you all well and wished you a tranquil life through God's eternal kingdom with kindness to ALL His creatures...... and may a million cats spray on your turnips!!! GOOD NIGHT ALL!!! ;) LOL! LOL! LOL!!!
Meantime... I'm pretty bored of this article ( three days old)...and think it's high time I bade you all well and wished you a tranquil life through God's eternal kingdom with kindness to ALL His creatures...... and may a million cats spray on your turnips!!! GOOD NIGHT ALL!!! ;) LOL! LOL! LOL!!! Seftonboy
  • Score: 0

11:31pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Seftonboy says...

doing "what comes naturally" angle ..As for GM modified cats ..hadn't thought of that one ..definite possibilities ..meanwhile I'll stick with my Supersoaker/ Laser :)
....bet you have a fat arse and hairy chin to match any moggie, catnip100 :)
doing "what comes naturally" angle ..As for GM modified cats ..hadn't thought of that one ..definite possibilities ..meanwhile I'll stick with my Supersoaker/ Laser :) ....bet you have a fat arse and hairy chin to match any moggie, catnip100 :) Seftonboy
  • Score: 0

5:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

catnip100 says...

Seftonboy wrote:
doing "what comes naturally" angle ..As for GM modified cats ..hadn't thought of that one ..definite possibilities ..meanwhile I'll stick with my Supersoaker/ Laser :)
....bet you have a fat arse and hairy chin to match any moggie, catnip100 :)
so ..finally we get to the personal stuff ..Thanks .. I don't play that particular game ..I will continue to insist that my right to feed the wildlife, grow wildflowers, love & provide habitats for the newts / frogs etc in my wildlife ponds can be done without the destructive impact of "your pet" .. I will continue to take every legal step to insure that cats feel most unwelcome in my garden areas, what they do in yours is your business and I don't care ..the market for cat deterrents in the UK alone , tells me I am not the only one who feels this way.
[quote][p][bold]Seftonboy[/bold] wrote: doing "what comes naturally" angle ..As for GM modified cats ..hadn't thought of that one ..definite possibilities ..meanwhile I'll stick with my Supersoaker/ Laser :) ....bet you have a fat arse and hairy chin to match any moggie, catnip100 :)[/p][/quote]so ..finally we get to the personal stuff ..Thanks .. I don't play that particular game ..I will continue to insist that my right to feed the wildlife, grow wildflowers, love & provide habitats for the newts / frogs etc in my wildlife ponds can be done without the destructive impact of "your pet" .. I will continue to take every legal step to insure that cats feel most unwelcome in my garden areas, what they do in yours is your business and I don't care ..the market for cat deterrents in the UK alone , tells me I am not the only one who feels this way. catnip100
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1:10pm Thu 14 Aug 14

chocofan says...

catnip100 wrote:
If cat owners had to assume responsibility for the anti social actions of their pets as do dog owners they probably wouldn't bother owning cats ? Cats crap in other peoples garden as well as decimate the wildlife and I think the law should at least offer "me" the right to ask a neighbour to keep their "introduced predator" in their own garden. Why not ?
I had bantams in my garden and when the neighbour's Burmese picked one up from our high fenced garden and carried it home he said we should keep our hens under control and it wasn't his fault the cat was not under control. Now we have a different cat constantly on the prowl for our songbirds and pooing in our veg plot.
[quote][p][bold]catnip100[/bold] wrote: If cat owners had to assume responsibility for the anti social actions of their pets as do dog owners they probably wouldn't bother owning cats ? Cats crap in other peoples garden as well as decimate the wildlife and I think the law should at least offer "me" the right to ask a neighbour to keep their "introduced predator" in their own garden. Why not ?[/p][/quote]I had bantams in my garden and when the neighbour's Burmese picked one up from our high fenced garden and carried it home he said we should keep our hens under control and it wasn't his fault the cat was not under control. Now we have a different cat constantly on the prowl for our songbirds and pooing in our veg plot. chocofan
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1:13pm Thu 14 Aug 14

chocofan says...

catnip100 wrote:
If cat owners had to assume responsibility for the anti social actions of their pets as do dog owners they probably wouldn't bother owning cats ? Cats crap in other peoples garden as well as decimate the wildlife and I think the law should at least offer "me" the right to ask a neighbour to keep their "introduced predator" in their own garden. Why not ?
I had bantams in my garden and when the neighbour's Burmese picked one up from our high fenced garden and carried it home he said we should keep our hens under control and it wasn't his fault the cat was not under control. Now we have a different cat constantly on the prowl for our songbirds and pooing in our veg plot.
[quote][p][bold]catnip100[/bold] wrote: If cat owners had to assume responsibility for the anti social actions of their pets as do dog owners they probably wouldn't bother owning cats ? Cats crap in other peoples garden as well as decimate the wildlife and I think the law should at least offer "me" the right to ask a neighbour to keep their "introduced predator" in their own garden. Why not ?[/p][/quote]I had bantams in my garden and when the neighbour's Burmese picked one up from our high fenced garden and carried it home he said we should keep our hens under control and it wasn't his fault the cat was not under control. Now we have a different cat constantly on the prowl for our songbirds and pooing in our veg plot. chocofan
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10:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

dibdib says...

Thank you Dr Mowforth for highlighting this subject. The wide range of opinions has made interesting reading.
Thank you Dr Mowforth for highlighting this subject. The wide range of opinions has made interesting reading. dibdib
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