Brown to push for Scottish powers

Former prime minister Gordon Brown is calling for a No vote

Former prime minister Gordon Brown is calling for a No vote

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Gordon Brown said he would seek to spearhead efforts to secure rapid implementation of more powers for the Scottish Parliament in the event of a No vote in the referendum on independence.

The former prime minister is among senior Labour figures being deployed in a final push by the party to prevent its supporters being won over by the Scottish National Party.

With polls suggesting a late swing towards the Yes camp, Mr Brown urged voters not to "abandon" the huge value to Scotland of pooling resources with the rest of the UK in areas such as pensions and healthcare.

The SNP does not give the same priority as Labour to social justice, he insisted, as part of a concerted fightback against nationalist attempts to move the argument on to traditional Labour territory.

"We wake in the morning thinking about how we can help people out of poverty and get people into jobs ... how we can build a better health service, better education services for our children," he said.

"They wake up in the morning with one ambition: to break every single political link with the United Kingdom."

He told an audience of activists and politicians at Westminster that he had asked Speaker John Bercow to allow him to lead a debate when the Commons resumes business in October to galvanise cross-party support for reforms.

A pledge of extra tax and legal powers for Holyrood in the event of a rejection of independence in the popular vote has been signed by the leaders of all three main Westminster parties.

Mr Brown said the aim should be the "maximum local decision-making powers that is possible" while maintaining the union.

"The status quo is not now an option. A no vote does not mean no change. A no vote will usher in the further constitutional reforms in social, economic and fiscal affairs and a no vote will mean the choice you have made is against separation but for further devolution to the Scottish Parliament," he said.

"Over the next few months after the referendum, we can take the lead in ensuring that these powers - that the Conservatives and Liberals say they would support - can be implemented as quickly as possible.

"I have asked the Speaker that when Parliament returns after the referendum in October, that in the first week he allows me to lead a debate about how we can secure the timetable and the delivery of the further devolution proposals.

"This is not like 1979 when the then-Conservative government promised change and then denied us it. This is like 1997 when the Labour government came in and, within a year, had delivered its promise of a Scottish parliament.

"When we are talking about the future of the constitution, London must and will change, Westminster must and will change, and, of course, the United Kingdom must and will change."

He told the meeting - hosted by Blairite pressure group Progress - that the Yes camp " will accept whatever result comes our way".

"But the Scottish National Party have got to recognise that if they l ose this ... we have got to get back to the issues of improving public services.

"I think the Conservatives will have to accept these proposals ... the strong weight of opinion for them.

"We stand ready to talk to other parties about how we could reach a consensus on these proposals for the future."

Mr Brown said the UK was a uniquely successful arrangement anywhere in the world.

It offered pooled resources across four nations "to guarantee to anyone no matter where they are in any part of the United Kingdom that they have the same right to healthcare, to help when unemployed, to dignity in retirement and, of course, to dignity and support when they are sick, disabled or vulnerable.

"That is a principle that we should never abandon."

He dismissed SNP plans for a corporation tax cut as "t he Scots Nats backing the fat cats and obviously cheered on by the cybernats".

He also dismissed the level of demand for an English parliament.

"The English do not want a parliament of their own. If they wanted it, that would be an issue, but there is no evidence that there is a desire for an English parliament," he said.

"We have got to recognise the assymetric nature of the British constitution, find a way of accommodating the ambitions of all the different nations - and indeed the regions."

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2:18pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Rita Jelfs says...

People in Scotland have been aware of the North/South divide in the UK. This won't change. Good luck to the Scots.
People in Scotland have been aware of the North/South divide in the UK. This won't change. Good luck to the Scots. Rita Jelfs
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5:15pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Counterview says...

Rita. Trouble is good luck to the Scots will mean mighty back luck for the English when we're lumbered with a permanent far right government.
Rita. Trouble is good luck to the Scots will mean mighty back luck for the English when we're lumbered with a permanent far right government. Counterview
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1:40pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Fred Bishop says...

Brown would say this he is a rabid English hater. He has signed the infamous SCOTTISH CLAIM OF RIGHT:
"We, gathered as the Scottish Constitutional Convention, do hereby acknowledge the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of Government best suited to their needs, and do hereby declare and pledge that in all our actions and deliberations their interests shall be paramount.

We further declare and pledge that our actions and deliberations shall be directed to the following ends:
To agree a scheme for an Assembly or Parliament for Scotland;
To mobilise Scottish opinion and ensure the approval of the Scottish people for that scheme; and
To assert the right of the Scottish people to secure implementation of that scheme.
Note
He says ", Mr Brown urged voters not to "abandon" the huge value to Scotland of pooling resources with the rest of the UK" He means the continued flow of English money the Barnett formula for eg.
"The English do not want a parliament of their own. ---""We have got to recognise the assymetric nature of the British constitution, find a way of accommodating the ambitions of all the different nations - and indeed the regions." He is of course talking of the nations--Scotland, Wales and Ireland and the 'regions' being the fragmented former England. Nation hood fro Scotland and disintegration and obscurity for England --Dream on Jock.
He is a bigot, a racist and a war criminal and should be treated as such.
Brown would say this he is a rabid English hater. He has signed the infamous SCOTTISH CLAIM OF RIGHT: "We, gathered as the Scottish Constitutional Convention, do hereby acknowledge the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of Government best suited to their needs, and do hereby declare and pledge that in all our actions and deliberations their interests shall be paramount. We further declare and pledge that our actions and deliberations shall be directed to the following ends: To agree a scheme for an Assembly or Parliament for Scotland; To mobilise Scottish opinion and ensure the approval of the Scottish people for that scheme; and To assert the right of the Scottish people to secure implementation of that scheme. Note He says ", Mr Brown urged voters not to "abandon" the huge value to Scotland of pooling resources with the rest of the UK" He means the continued flow of English money the Barnett formula for eg. "The English do not want a parliament of their own. ---""We have got to recognise the assymetric nature of the British constitution, find a way of accommodating the ambitions of all the different nations - and indeed the regions." He is of course talking of the nations--Scotland, Wales and Ireland and the 'regions' being the fragmented former England. Nation hood fro Scotland and disintegration and obscurity for England --Dream on Jock. He is a bigot, a racist and a war criminal and should be treated as such. Fred Bishop
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11:52pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Counterview says...

Looks like he won't need to bother.
Looks like he won't need to bother. Counterview
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6:32pm Thu 11 Sep 14

Dan Soton says...

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Alex Salmond said today.. for the first time in Scottish history, on the 18th September we, the people, hold our destiny in our own hands.

Destiny in your own hands?

More than half of Scotland 78,387 sq km's are in hands of 432 people... whom most are Peers of the Realm/Sirs/Lords, 16 of which sit in the House of Lords...

Take land owner Alastair Salvesen, multimillionaire and the third richest man in Scotland, he is the Director and a major shareholder (owning 25%) in Helius Plc... plans are afoot to build a land grabbing, pollution generating timber/grass incinerating biomass plant in the heart of Southampton..


If you read the below you might want to put Alastair Salvesen BEHIND BARS for using an EU Human Rights anomaly in the law to kick a tenant Farmer ( his family farmed for 100 years) off the land he acquired in 1998.



FARM TRAGEDY: ROW OVER LAND REFORM PLEDGE

Robbie Dinwoodie Chief Scottish Political Correspondent

Wednesday 10 October 2012

A FARMERS' leader has accused ministers of backing down on a promise to take the case of a farmer who lost a long-running land dispute to the UK Supreme Court.

ANDREW RIDDELL, 52, WAS FOUND DEAD LAST WEEK BEFORE HE WAS DUE TO LEAVE THE LAND HIS FAMILY HAD FARMED FOR 100 YEARS.

It came after Mr Riddell's landlord successfully overturned a land court ruling that had given tenure to the father of four.

In the upheld appeal, senior judge Lord Gill ruled that measures put in place to protect tenants in such areas were not compatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.

MR RIDDELL'S BATTLE BEGAN IN 2003 WHEN HE WAS GIVEN NOTICE TO QUIT BY LANDOWNER ALASTAIR SALVESEN, WHO BOUGHT THE FARM IN 1998.

Lord Gill's ruling shocked the Government and the land reform lobby in equal measure as it gave precedence to the right to property under the European Convention on Human Rights over whether a public interest argument was proportionate and compatible.

Land campaigner Andy Wightman said he too had been led to assume the ruling would be challenged, saying it would be disgraceful if ministers failed to put up a fight for the will of the Scottish Parliament.

He said: "They have a duty and an obligation to make a decision on this and I am of the firm view that it has to be to fight this through the UK Supreme Court.

http://www.heraldsco
tland.com/news/home-
news/farm-tragedy-ro
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ledge.19098021


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Scottish land campaigner Andy Wightman wants to fight Judge Lord Gill's baffling EU Human Rights ruling through the UKs Supreme Court?.. Good luck to him with that.


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,, Alex Salmond said today.. for the first time in Scottish history, on the 18th September we, the people, hold our destiny in our own hands. Destiny in your own hands? More than half of Scotland 78,387 sq km's are in hands of 432 people... whom most are Peers of the Realm/Sirs/Lords, 16 of which sit in the House of Lords... Take land owner Alastair Salvesen, multimillionaire and the third richest man in Scotland, he is the Director and a major shareholder (owning 25%) in Helius Plc... plans are afoot to build a land grabbing, pollution generating timber/grass incinerating biomass plant in the heart of Southampton.. If you read the below you might want to put Alastair Salvesen BEHIND BARS for using an EU Human Rights anomaly in the law to kick a tenant Farmer ( his family farmed for 100 years) off the land he acquired in 1998. FARM TRAGEDY: ROW OVER LAND REFORM PLEDGE Robbie Dinwoodie Chief Scottish Political Correspondent Wednesday 10 October 2012 A FARMERS' leader has accused ministers of backing down on a promise to take the case of a farmer who lost a long-running land dispute to the UK Supreme Court. ANDREW RIDDELL, 52, WAS FOUND DEAD LAST WEEK BEFORE HE WAS DUE TO LEAVE THE LAND HIS FAMILY HAD FARMED FOR 100 YEARS. It came after Mr Riddell's landlord successfully overturned a land court ruling that had given tenure to the father of four. In the upheld appeal, senior judge Lord Gill ruled that measures put in place to protect tenants in such areas were not compatible with the European Convention on Human Rights. MR RIDDELL'S BATTLE BEGAN IN 2003 WHEN HE WAS GIVEN NOTICE TO QUIT BY LANDOWNER ALASTAIR SALVESEN, WHO BOUGHT THE FARM IN 1998. Lord Gill's ruling shocked the Government and the land reform lobby in equal measure as it gave precedence to the right to property under the European Convention on Human Rights over whether a public interest argument was proportionate and compatible. Land campaigner Andy Wightman said he too had been led to assume the ruling would be challenged, saying it would be disgraceful if ministers failed to put up a fight for the will of the Scottish Parliament. He said: "They have a duty and an obligation to make a decision on this and I am of the firm view that it has to be to fight this through the UK Supreme Court. http://www.heraldsco tland.com/news/home- news/farm-tragedy-ro w-over-land-reform-p ledge.19098021 ,, Scottish land campaigner Andy Wightman wants to fight Judge Lord Gill's baffling EU Human Rights ruling through the UKs Supreme Court?.. Good luck to him with that. ,, Dan Soton
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12:13am Sun 14 Sep 14

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
,,

Alex Salmond said today.. for the first time in Scottish history, on the 18th September we, the people, hold our destiny in our own hands.

Destiny in your own hands?

More than half of Scotland 78,387 sq km's are in hands of 432 people... whom most are Peers of the Realm/Sirs/Lords, 16 of which sit in the House of Lords...

Take land owner Alastair Salvesen, multimillionaire and the third richest man in Scotland, he is the Director and a major shareholder (owning 25%) in Helius Plc... plans are afoot to build a land grabbing, pollution generating timber/grass incinerating biomass plant in the heart of Southampton..


If you read the below you might want to put Alastair Salvesen BEHIND BARS for using an EU Human Rights anomaly in the law to kick a tenant Farmer ( his family farmed for 100 years) off the land he acquired in 1998.



FARM TRAGEDY: ROW OVER LAND REFORM PLEDGE

Robbie Dinwoodie Chief Scottish Political Correspondent

Wednesday 10 October 2012

A FARMERS' leader has accused ministers of backing down on a promise to take the case of a farmer who lost a long-running land dispute to the UK Supreme Court.

ANDREW RIDDELL, 52, WAS FOUND DEAD LAST WEEK BEFORE HE WAS DUE TO LEAVE THE LAND HIS FAMILY HAD FARMED FOR 100 YEARS.

It came after Mr Riddell's landlord successfully overturned a land court ruling that had given tenure to the father of four.

In the upheld appeal, senior judge Lord Gill ruled that measures put in place to protect tenants in such areas were not compatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.

MR RIDDELL'S BATTLE BEGAN IN 2003 WHEN HE WAS GIVEN NOTICE TO QUIT BY LANDOWNER ALASTAIR SALVESEN, WHO BOUGHT THE FARM IN 1998.

Lord Gill's ruling shocked the Government and the land reform lobby in equal measure as it gave precedence to the right to property under the European Convention on Human Rights over whether a public interest argument was proportionate and compatible.

Land campaigner Andy Wightman said he too had been led to assume the ruling would be challenged, saying it would be disgraceful if ministers failed to put up a fight for the will of the Scottish Parliament.

He said: "They have a duty and an obligation to make a decision on this and I am of the firm view that it has to be to fight this through the UK Supreme Court.

http://www.heraldsco

tland.com/news/home-

news/farm-tragedy-ro

w-over-land-reform-p

ledge.19098021


,,


Scottish land campaigner Andy Wightman wants to fight Judge Lord Gill's baffling EU Human Rights ruling through the UKs Supreme Court?.. Good luck to him with that.


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All a bit fishy... Given a yes vote what rank will Scotland achieve on The Economist newspapers Crony Capitalism Index ?


In 1978 Alex Salmond entered the Government services as an Assistant Economist in the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries for Scotland

Keeping that in mind... SCOTTISH Fish Farm/Seafood Empire multimillionaire and land owner Alastair Salvesen used an EU Human Rights Law in SCOTLAND's highest civil court presided over by Judge Lord Gill SCOTLAND's longest serving judge to triumph over a hard working SCOTTISH farmers 100 year old rights... Baffling

But there's something vividly clear to me, according to SCOTTISH land campaigner Andy Wightman, Alex Salmond and his SCOTTISH ministers reneged on a promise to fight for the farmers rights.... In my book that smacks of Crony Capitalism of the first order...




The Economist newspapers Crony Capitalism Index..UK@15


http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Crony-capit
alism_index


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[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: ,, Alex Salmond said today.. for the first time in Scottish history, on the 18th September we, the people, hold our destiny in our own hands. Destiny in your own hands? More than half of Scotland 78,387 sq km's are in hands of 432 people... whom most are Peers of the Realm/Sirs/Lords, 16 of which sit in the House of Lords... Take land owner Alastair Salvesen, multimillionaire and the third richest man in Scotland, he is the Director and a major shareholder (owning 25%) in Helius Plc... plans are afoot to build a land grabbing, pollution generating timber/grass incinerating biomass plant in the heart of Southampton.. If you read the below you might want to put Alastair Salvesen BEHIND BARS for using an EU Human Rights anomaly in the law to kick a tenant Farmer ( his family farmed for 100 years) off the land he acquired in 1998. FARM TRAGEDY: ROW OVER LAND REFORM PLEDGE Robbie Dinwoodie Chief Scottish Political Correspondent Wednesday 10 October 2012 A FARMERS' leader has accused ministers of backing down on a promise to take the case of a farmer who lost a long-running land dispute to the UK Supreme Court. ANDREW RIDDELL, 52, WAS FOUND DEAD LAST WEEK BEFORE HE WAS DUE TO LEAVE THE LAND HIS FAMILY HAD FARMED FOR 100 YEARS. It came after Mr Riddell's landlord successfully overturned a land court ruling that had given tenure to the father of four. In the upheld appeal, senior judge Lord Gill ruled that measures put in place to protect tenants in such areas were not compatible with the European Convention on Human Rights. MR RIDDELL'S BATTLE BEGAN IN 2003 WHEN HE WAS GIVEN NOTICE TO QUIT BY LANDOWNER ALASTAIR SALVESEN, WHO BOUGHT THE FARM IN 1998. Lord Gill's ruling shocked the Government and the land reform lobby in equal measure as it gave precedence to the right to property under the European Convention on Human Rights over whether a public interest argument was proportionate and compatible. Land campaigner Andy Wightman said he too had been led to assume the ruling would be challenged, saying it would be disgraceful if ministers failed to put up a fight for the will of the Scottish Parliament. He said: "They have a duty and an obligation to make a decision on this and I am of the firm view that it has to be to fight this through the UK Supreme Court. http://www.heraldsco tland.com/news/home- news/farm-tragedy-ro w-over-land-reform-p ledge.19098021 ,, Scottish land campaigner Andy Wightman wants to fight Judge Lord Gill's baffling EU Human Rights ruling through the UKs Supreme Court?.. Good luck to him with that. ,,[/p][/quote],, All a bit fishy... Given a yes vote what rank will Scotland achieve on The Economist newspapers Crony Capitalism Index ? In 1978 Alex Salmond entered the Government services as an Assistant Economist in the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries for Scotland Keeping that in mind... SCOTTISH Fish Farm/Seafood Empire multimillionaire and land owner Alastair Salvesen used an EU Human Rights Law in SCOTLAND's highest civil court presided over by Judge Lord Gill SCOTLAND's longest serving judge to triumph over a hard working SCOTTISH farmers 100 year old rights... Baffling But there's something vividly clear to me, according to SCOTTISH land campaigner Andy Wightman, Alex Salmond and his SCOTTISH ministers reneged on a promise to fight for the farmers rights.... In my book that smacks of Crony Capitalism of the first order... The Economist newspapers Crony Capitalism Index..UK@15 http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Crony-capit alism_index ,, Dan Soton
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